Changehammer

[Stortz]

thank god the devs are balancing and changing the game

Mythic and EA did a mediocre job
This game has a lot of potential, and I think the devs see this as an opportunity to have a great game brought to it's full possibilities, rather than leave it untouched.

If you want something to remain unchanged you should present your argument as to why it should be like that. Just saying that one change is bad means nothing, you have to present evidence.

You mentioned the engineers, which a lot of people in the past few days have, but if you ever played a city siege instance with the top guilds you would see how poorly engis were doing since the aoe nerf back in 09. and before the changes here, my understanding was that the class was still on it's bad rep of being mediocre raged support. Now you don't see engis as free renown anymore.

[Chaoself]

As written in the rules now, what you give back for playing here, aside from the testing and reporting of bugs that very few do and that is at this point a secondary part of the agreement, is respect for our experiments in direction and acknowledgement that we have the right to make changes. You have direct access to me and other members of the team, an arrangement made so that we can shape the game together. There is no hiding behind a wall on the part of the staff here - you're not pissing in the wind when making criticisms, like you might on the forum of a larger developer. You get responses directly from me, and I will (aggressively) defend my decisions, just as I will retract decisions or ventures if the feedback on them and the points made are sufficiently persuasive.

But you? You've spat in our faces. You've made a topic denying our right to change things in a subtle manner, by saying "Most of us liked every state that was on live" == "I don't accept your right to make any change that I don't like because you're not the original developer". You've also tried to claim you speak for the rest of the community (you don't, thank you) and outright denigrated changes that were made without providing any further justification - I think Jaycub destroyed you quite comprehensively for that, and so I won't bother to defend the changes personally. Not only that - but worst of all, you revealed your true nature by saying "We liked what it was, good OR bad", outing yourself as a purist and exactly the kind of person I'm never going to listen to. Sorry, but outright refusal to acknowledge that flaws can and should be improved means that you are irrational and shouldn't be listened to.

All of this is in contravention of the board rules, so yes - you are whining, and I'm going to call you on it.

Like I said before - I don't care what you think, I care why you think it. If you are motivated by selfishness and unwillingness to adapt to even the smallest of changes, as the current changeset regarding careers is, then I don't have time for you, just as I never had time for the tiny minority that made my last project difficult at every turn by using the same tactics as you are, while never quite realising that they were about ten people in total, and in the end... they represented no one but themselves.

In short - bring some arguments to the table or step off and let someone else do so. This game is still Warhammer, and it doesn't stop being or playing like Warhammer because Engineer and Magus can get 40% more range, because SM and BO knock down at 9 points, because you can stack 5% less crit or because Knights can't gimp Shamans with one tactic.

As I said, I respect a lot this project, but the game is totally different than was on live right now. I just don't see the point to start to make a lot of big changes that fast. And about saying im denying your right to change anything, you should be kidding. There are a lot of ways to change things, but to me this is not the way to do it ( again, just an opinion ). Also it's kinda disapointing to read how you treat people as minority that try to made your project difficult when someone doesn't agree with you. I talked with all the respect posible but seems I won't get the same treat so I'm done after this post. Thanks for reading anyways.

[Azarael]

All you are doing is making unqualified statements. You think the game is totally different than it was on live. I think that it's not much different. Congratulations, we've just contradicted one another. So, what do you expect to happen because of this?

You've just given your opinion. That's awesome, but without any kind of further qualification, all I've got is your opinion, and you're one person. If you want to make any kind of change, you're going to have to learn to contribute in a manner that goes beyond "I don't like it."

[TenTonHammer]

BG isn't getting buffs because Tenton is awol, and I deleted mine so I'm disinterested in making any kind of proposals. There was only 1 proposal for BG, and it made it to discussions btw.

Well i made this proposal about swapping WoS for ease of access to build on Tesq's parry tactic thread

viewtopic.php?f=95&t=17641

But penril with his iron fisted hold over the balance forum's, refuses to move it to discussions


Having said that im in a wait and see mode on the other implication of various suggested thread, for example the standardization of knockback discussion thread and how that will effect BG


I feel personally that if the BG's mid tree is "fixed"/reorganized, Chosen is brought more inline and most important of all, maras debuffs scaling nerfed so that BG's varients no longer play second fiddle then the class will be strong and viable alternative to BO

[Ninepaces]

BG isn't getting buffs because Tenton is awol, and I deleted mine so I'm disinterested in making any kind of proposals. There was only 1 proposal for BG, and it made it to discussions btw.

Well i made this proposal about swapping WoS for ease of access to build on Tesq's parry tactic thread

viewtopic.php?f=95&t=17641

But penril with his iron fisted hold over the balance forum's, refuses to move it to discussions


Having said that im in a wait and see mode on the other implication of various suggested thread, for example the standardization of knockback discussion thread and how that will effect BG


I feel personally that if the BG's mid tree is "fixed"/reorganized, Chosen is brought more inline and most important of all, maras debuffs scaling nerfed so that BG's varients no longer play second fiddle then the class will be strong

Well lets not nerf maura, destro need some good classes too.

[porkstar]

I trust in the evolution of the game by the community. It's great testing all these tweaks. This game is a beast of fun and taking a stab at balance is great! I'm most looking forward to the two remaining magus and engi trees

[TenTonHammer]

Well lets not nerf maura, destro need some good classes too.

Mara is the strongest, most versatile and "safest" MDPS in the game, the KOTBS of the MDPS classes, some more nerfs would not hurt it

If you change the scaling of maras debuffs that that their not ALL stronger than BG's no harm would come of it

Maras armor debuff is still undefendable and it still has PB

Maras wounds debuff has no detrimental prerequisites like having to blow all your rage or use a 2H

Its toughness debuffs has no CD


etc etc etc.....

[Natherul]

BG isn't getting buffs because Tenton is awol, and I deleted mine so I'm disinterested in making any kind of proposals. There was only 1 proposal for BG, and it made it to discussions btw.

Well i made this proposal about swapping WoS for ease of access to build on Tesq's parry tactic thread

viewtopic.php?f=95&t=17641

But penril with his iron fisted hold over the balance forum's, refuses to move it to discussions


Having said that im in a wait and see mode on the other implication of various suggested thread, for example the standardization of knockback discussion thread and how that will effect BG


I feel personally that if the BG's mid tree is "fixed"/reorganized, Chosen is brought more inline and most important of all, maras debuffs scaling nerfed so that BG's varients no longer play second fiddle then the class will be strong and viable alternative to BO

The mods for balance discussions are only a few and as such they only move as many topic for discussions as they can manage at a time, if it has not been outright declined then it will probably move in due time

[TenTonHammer]

The mods for balance discussions are only a few and as such they only move as many topic for discussions as they can manage at a time, if it has not been outright declined then it will probably move in due time

Oh i know; penril already told me, i was just making a funny


I forgot im not very funny

[Leinez]

Just wanted to say.. keep up the good work!

Its so nice to fire up the RoR Website and read through the new changes. I am always very impressed by the magnitude of things you can change. For example the very nice bridge somone implemented in talabecland over the river where i always had to swim.

You are doing it right! Fixing the game and makeing it more fun for everything by balancing it and changing some stuff.