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Valayare
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Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#1 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:54 pm

I guess a big chunk of us Warhammer Fantasy Battle (WHFB) fans now know that something is afoot at GW and starting with the End Times (ET) releases there are big plans to change WHFB. If you haven’t read up on this yet and/or you don’t want to see any ET discussion or details of any of the recent rumours regarding the future of WHFB, please don’t click on the spoiler tab ;)
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Warning! Wall of text and rambling! :D

As we know, last year GW sadly stopped its support of WAR, despite pleas from the community. Perhaps now we have a little more insight into some of the other factors (besides EA and licenses etc etc) that have influenced this decision, i.e. WAR does not fit with what GW want to do with WHFB.

It seems that despite 8th edition of Fantasy being popular (to the best of my knowledge; nearly everyone I know, have spoken to or who I have read comments from, likes it), GW are going to drastically change what we know and love in the Warhammer World. Some of these changes have begun already in the ET and from initial reactions it seems that a lot of people do not like what has been done to the races, characters and “feel” of the whole Warhammer word, including in the background rewrite, changes and additions, and in terms of rules. However apparently, it’s going to get worse for those of us who think like this.

The latest bunch of rumours released this week suggest that it really is the End Times for the Warhammer world as we know it; the rumours (I don’t know if they are true and I’m not endorsing them, I’m just discussing them…) suggest that the Warhammer World will be completely destroyed. This may come to pass possibly, as some say sources say, by a collision of the moons Mannslieb and Morrslieb and/or them crashing to earth. Rumours say that GW has designed a new setting for WHFB, in an attempt to reboot the whole thing. It is also believed that in this new era there will only be six factions (Chaos, Elves, “Humans”, Greenskins, Undead and Skaven) existing on little “bubbles” of reality floating on a sea of chaos in the warp, with battles focused now solely on collisions between these pockets of reality.

Some people say this is just crazy guesswork and “trolling” but in next weeks’ White Dwarf there is an interesting passage from ET: Thanquol:

“I have seen this world’s demise. Morrslieb, the accursed orb, waxes large. Impossibly large. The moon will fall, the oceans will boil, the mountains will break. To the stars some will go, but the stars themselves will abandon this world”

So maybe the rumours aren’t that crazy after all?

If this is to be the whole new setting, it sounds a bit odd to me (on paper); who knows what’s really going to happen though (and how good it might be) and whether the rumours are true of not? However, it seems most people dislike this new setting and many seem unwilling at this stage to support it, so it got me thinking… we all love WAR/RoR for the game itself but many of us love it for the world too. If GW does decide to destroy the Fantasy setting as we know it, then they will in time stop producing specific themed support for it (books, art, affiliated minis etc). As such, RoR represents a perfect way of preserving the Warhammer world, which some of us have been part of for decades! It provides a fixed and important portal through which we can always enter to walk the streets of Altdorf, kill Druchii in front of the Alter of Khaine or bash stunteez in the shadow of Thunder Mountain! Thinking of this reminded me of what some of the old Mythic WAR developers said about wanting to see the game preserved somehow.

Everyone’s contributions to RoR, from the player base to the devs are amazing and collectively everyone is doing a great job in keeping WAR and the Warhammer world alive, lets keep it up, everyone do what they can to help and keep the Wwwaaaaggghhhhhs! going!

(A rumour round up can be found, for example, in http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/9t ... ng-on.html
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Grulo
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#2 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:01 pm

We should have a third faction: High Elves + Dark Elves. Emp stays with Dorfs and Chaos with Greenskins.


(come on, let me dream, i'm bored at work).

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Tesq
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#3 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:14 pm

on paper what they want do on make totaly sense from a lot of point

have a total of 6 armys make game better in many aspects, more balance trought armys, more profit less stock cost, less ppl to war on background and codex, more dedication to models details, and they can that way put some progression on stoyrline, this do not mean they will not introduces or re-introduces new armys in future. Thx to that , i could finaly start play fantasy, i like a lot on these change on the rumors, we will see.
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ondskab100
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#4 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:40 pm

Does this mean they stop Warhammer in favor of just Warhammer 40k and LOTR? Sounds like a bad idea.

Making it more simplefed with only 6 armies? Sounds worse!

I really think they are shooting themselves in the foot if they are doing either of these things. This isen't the warhammer world I know and most of us grew up with. This will undoubtly piss of a lot of the fanbase and they will leave because of the drastic changes happening. I'm all in for progress in terms of story telling, but this feels wrong.
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#5 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:59 pm

As Tesq said, from an economic point of view it makes a lot of sense. Look at this way: they have to sell something from time to time to have profit. If they keep producing stuff that does not sell, it's a loss for them. So for them it's bad to make 3 different human armies, if 2 of them are not bought at all.
Of course it's a little dissapointment for others, but every company makes moves like this. They try to improve what sells best, and take away from the market what doesn't sell.

Fans will be fans and will always hate this stuff, but it's inevitable.

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Valayare
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#6 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:07 pm

The thing is GW have always maintained that that are run by hobbiests for hobbiests. Since TK took the reigns and since floatation this has gradually disappeared. Now it's all about money and this ethos does not hold true at all and it is no longer the heart of the hobby. GW could easily maintain old lines (via various mechanisms) but it seems that they may be choosing not to. It's not about hating, for a lot of people it seems to be about the closed doors and GW never listening to what the customers want. It is miss-management that as led to this sadly :(
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#7 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:54 pm

it's not just economic, have 10 armies (?) is difficult to balance, plus want you tell me that a race cannot be destroy? this is what take end of times some race will be killed the less strong will havo no more power to have an amry so they will be simple errant monser or they will go along side other armys,

chaos
empire
dward
elf
undead
skavens

beast man etc will go some in chaos and some will remain with no codex as theu have no more teh strengh to oppose other armys...strong kill the weak in warhamemr world and so end of time will end actuall time and vove forward, if something do not evolve it involve and die.
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#8 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:31 pm

From what I gather the game will be unrecognisable in the next edition.

Half the armies are being merged. Half the characters are being retired.
Everythings moving to round bases and skirmish rules. No more units and formations.
Dumbing it down to appeal to the 40k crowd.
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Azagaar
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Re: Is it now more important than ever that RoR succeeds?

Post#9 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:12 am

Still I doubt that they would kill their top selling army. So story or not, they have to think about profit :)

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