Recently back - T2/3 is... Terrible.

[Kobra]

SC's are terribly unbalanced. RVR is unbalanced. Both favor Order in every case from what I can see.

Also, the exp-gain drops really low and you get in a 'rut' at T2/T3.. I'm told exp gain used to be much better but was nerfed. I propose un-nerfing it so people can get out of this terrible T2/T3 and move on with life at T4. Why would they nerf experience when the entire goal is to get T4 and gear up? Right now I am sitting on 4 new characters I don't feel like playing because they are in the T2/T3 rut... Let's face it, T2/T3 seems to suck the life out of your fun in this game.

Are Devs aware of this? Also the order imbalance is real. Maybe make AAO actually do something useful like give you high dmg or something? It sure doesn't seem to address population imbalances.

Happy to be back, but some of the warts in this game still exist, and still suck the life out of it.

[Aurandilaz]

Early december we had 2-3 weeks of Destro dominance in mid tier.
Then it changed to order dominance, then it kept changing back... the pendulum can switch thrice a day and several dozen times a week, depending on what is happening in t3 and who bothers to log onto which alt lowbie char and on which side.

[saupreusse]

SC's are terribly unbalanced. RVR is unbalanced. Both favor Order in every case from what I can see.

Also, the exp-gain drops really low and you get in a 'rut' at T2/T3.. I'm told exp gain used to be much better but was nerfed. I propose un-nerfing it so people can get out of this terrible T2/T3 and move on with life at T4. Why would they nerf experience when the entire goal is to get T4 and gear up? Right now I am sitting on 4 new characters I don't feel like playing because they are in the T2/T3 rut... Let's face it, T2/T3 seems to suck the life out of your fun in this game.

Are Devs aware of this? Also the order imbalance is real. Maybe make AAO actually do something useful like give you high dmg or something? It sure doesn't seem to address population imbalances.

Happy to be back, but some of the warts in this game still exist, and still suck the life out of it.

How are SCs unbalanced? Hows the RvR unbalanced? Why do they favor Order in every case? If you mean that there is simply too much order well thats something we cant really fight since this is a 2 realm game which is bad design. AAO actually did increase/reduce your power but it got reverted afaik because it didnt quite work.

[Jaycub]

what was the reason for removing x3 xp?

T3 was actually alive, powerleveling was really prevalent as well, I personally know people who came to play specifically because we could get them to t4 to play with us in like an hour of PLing.

Of course it was up to them to get full ruin, epic quest weapons, RR's and whatnot.


I really don't see how removing it benefited anything, especially if you could turn on/off the xp multiplier with a command. And just keep it that way until T2/3 is alive enough to get regular pops and RvR action.

[Azarael]

T2/T3 XP was removed because of salt from people who complained their T2/T3 experience was cheapened and T4 was being flooded with players who didn't know what to do. I accept no responsibility for the outcome of that change.

[Kobra]

T2/T3 XP was removed because of salt from people who complained their T2/T3 experience was cheapened and T4 was being flooded with players who didn't know what to do. I accept no responsibility for the outcome of that change.

Some select people will shed crocodile tears for these things. But there isn't any basis for their complaints over the long term. World of Warships didn't sell tier 8 premium ships because some people cried it would allow 'unskilled' to play in tier 8. But after they started selling them something magical happened.. In a few weeks the 'unskilled' became more skilled and learned to play. Rendering the argument NULL.

Same thing here.. How long before new T4 guys learn to play? One week? Two? This isn't rocket science...

3X experience should come back and stay. Honestly? I think the slow and painful T2/T3 grind and lackluster PVP is why the population isn't higher here. We all grinded in live and we all don't feel like grinding here. T1 is fine, leveling is brisk.. T2/T3 sucks your soul dry and makes you roll alts or if you have a 40, play them. THAT is why T2/T3 is vacant...

[Ligemar]

T4 was being flooded with players who didn't know what to do

Sounds hilarious. They will learn eventually, like for 2-3 hours of playing there. That not a big prob, coz there was people before them. But when a newbie appears in shitty t2-t3, they feel that this game pritty much dead, coz of non action. Like rly, there always 4 vs 4 scenarios which ends when someone check the point, totaly dead rvr. I had to farm about 14-16 hours with my WH to get into T4. In oldtimes i could just killed some rats around wc and leaved this dead lands. Do people rly heave to farm tons of time or waiting prime time to play this game for 2-3 hours of action in this zones? This question about players "who don't know what to do" is kind of double-edged sword, they'll learn it in t4 for 2 hours or for a week in the deep ****.

[Kobra]

T2/T3 XP was removed because of salt from people who complained their T2/T3 experience was cheapened and T4 was being flooded with players who didn't know what to do. I accept no responsibility for the outcome of that change.

and now they have salt because the T2/T3 experience is 'still' cheap..

So the change made no sense in the end and only gave new players you want to retain some soulless grinding to endure, if they even bother... Shouldn't this game be about T4 and getting to T4 as many people as you can to fill up the end game RVR experience? Any game 'about the grind' isn't a good game IMO.. This is why many of us don't play the current MMO stock out there..

[Kobra]

T4 was being flooded with players who didn't know what to do

Sounds hilarious. They will learn eventually, like for 2-3 hours of playing there. That not a big prob, coz there was people before them. But when a newbie appears in shitty t2-t3, they feel that this game pritty much dead, coz of non action. Like rly, there always 4 vs 4 scenarios which ends when someone check the point, totaly dead rvr. I had to farm about 14-16 hours with my WH to get into T4. In oldtimes i could just killed some rats around wc and leaved this dead lands. Do people rly heave to farm tons of time or waiting prime time to play this game for 2-3 hours of action in this zones? This question about players "who don't know what to do" is kind of double-edged sword, they'll learn it in t4 for 2 hours or for a week in the deep ****.

As someone that JUST came back and brought 6 players with him I can tell you this is exactly what is happening..

T1 - 'Wow, good to be back.. Fighting around fest.. Decent leveling.. People around to do stuff! I will play this game forever now!'

T2 - 'Man... Empty.. Is the whole game empty after T1? This is grindy.. Can't find anything to do.. Guess I will quit or roll alt'..

That's pretty much where ALL 6 of the people I just brought back over the last week or two are at right now.. That's why 2x or 3x should be added for experience to push people into populated T4...

[Ligemar]

Devs just have to lvl up some twinks through this swamp of sh*t to realize how this tiers are painful for newbies. It's not a complain, but advice. Having ur own experience is better in any case.