Comeback after lost Keep - Order made it first on 26.01. - 27.01.

[Aurandilaz]

Honestly though, something feels "broken" about T4 orvr when fights last 12-18 hours and winner is determined by one sides ability to make other side log off by wearing out their will to stay logged in and make participating in orvr futile to them.
It's not about "pressure" or clever battlefield manoeuvres, but rather simply wearing out your enemies motivation to participate in the campaign.

And ofc both sides simply sit and defend their keeps because that is the optimal strategy, even if it means abandoning 4 BOs. Well manned keeps become impenetrable bunkers, where the attackers suffer terrific losses just from Disconnects alone.

Maybe I'm just "salty" over having fought 10 hours in KV on the losing side until I went to bed at 2:30am, but at some point T4 orvr just stops being enjoyable.

[CommissarG]

Honestly though, something feels "broken" about T4 orvr when fights last 12-18 hours and winner is determined by one sides ability to make other side log off by wearing out their will to stay logged in and make participating in orvr futile to them.
It's not about "pressure" or clever battlefield manoeuvres, but rather simply wearing out your enemies motivation to participate in the campaign.

And ofc both sides simply sit and defend their keeps because that is the optimal strategy, even if it means abandoning 4 BOs. Well manned keeps become impenetrable bunkers, where the attackers suffer terrific losses just from Disconnects alone.

Maybe I'm just "salty" over having fought 10 hours in KV on the losing side until I went to bed at 2:30am, but at some point T4 orvr just stops being enjoyable.

I don't necessarily disagree, even for the winners. It's nice getting the lock bonus even if I'm offline but I spent 10 hours straight in KV only to pass out right before we took the keep = no loot chance. Can feel not rewarding.

[Pumatouch]

It is true enough; timezones and turnover leave alot of lootbags in US hands

[Aurandilaz]

It is true enough; timezones and turnover leave alot of lootbags in US hands

Starts resembling WW2; Soviets bleed Germans out for 4 years in brutal fighting, Yanks join mainfight at later date and get the glory for being there for the final victory....
The server seems to have more EU players, so it makes sense that EU players wear each other out, the more eastern located start logging off first and the NA players get to log in during the final hours when keep sieges become possible after EU primetime has passed and the zerg side reduced to tolerable levels (less disconnects during keeps pop size).

[Buttbeard]

But the difference is there.

Or maybe is not, because you have a forum to show the difference and propose things to solve it but somehow, despite trying multiple times, no one has been able to come up with anything that is not a blatant fallacy or cherrypicking at best.

Somehow, someday, you will have to realize that maybe, destruction advice chat is full of **** and the gap they claim is there actually doesnt exist.

hell yeah both destro and order chat is full of bull s-hit. lots of it. but there are some differences
One Sorc and BW.- both are good classes, i am not saying sorc is broken or the BW OP. Damage wise they are fairly equal. but one has cleanse while the other does not. Not a big difference, its a tiny thing. But then same class also have ranged KD AND heal debuff. so that class do bring a lot more utility to the group. specially the heal debuff is pretty important as much of this game is based on that. Guess what class that have those things? Hint its not the sorc.
And even if we look beyond sorc to other destro ranged dps classes What destro class can bring a ranged KD?

Its not a game breaking difference but it is there, not to huge but it is not insignificant either.

That's one example of order classes being maybe not stronger but in this case able to bring more utility to the group than the destro counterpart. So yeah order do have a bit "stronger" ranged classes.

But yeah there is some people that goes way to far when claiming destro classes sux and order being OP. so much it turns into Bs.

[bloodi]

That's one example of order classes being maybe not stronger but in this case able to bring more utility to the group than the destro counterpart. So yeah order do have a bit "stronger" ranged classes.

But yeah there is some people that goes way to far when claiming destro classes sux and order being OP. so much it turns into Bs.

Well, one has a cleanse, the other does not, however, since is a game based around group compositions, lets take a look at DoK and what brings to the group, group cleanse and his cleansing m2, there isnt such a thing as a cleansing m2 on order, at all, so should we compare bw to sorc or should we compare a destru group to an order group? Its the later.

Bw has a healdebuff, sorc has a group wide damage buff, Bw can spec a ranged kd, sorc has a base ranged disarm. Order has ranged kd available but almost no wounds debuffs, destruction doesnt have ranged kds at all but they have plenty of wound debuffs.

There is nuances to everything, the mere fact that despite trying their hardest, you can go and check the declined section of the proposal forums, destruction players are somehow unable to point this imbalances and keep coming back to either appeal to the mirror, fallacies or just cherry picking and telling half truths.

If what you say was true, it would have been solved long ago, the thing is, game is a lot more balanced that people give it credit for, they rather pretend is not to tell themselves they are playing in the losing team.

[catholicism198]

I do not understand this post. Is it a brag?
Destro had +120% aao when their keep was taken and +80% aao when they were flipping random BOs. There were literally only 4 people defending the keep.

I'd be more willing to hand out my internet points if Side A took a defended keep from Side B.

[Pumatouch]

There were literally only 4 people defending the keep.

Simply not true. Neither last night or tonight

[Tankbeardz]

It is true enough; timezones and turnover leave alot of lootbags in US hands

Starts resembling WW2; Soviets bleed Germans out for 4 years in brutal fighting, Yanks join mainfight at later date and get the glory for being there for the final victory....
The server seems to have more EU players, so it makes sense that EU players wear each other out, the more eastern located start logging off first and the NA players get to log in during the final hours when keep sieges become possible after EU primetime has passed and the zerg side reduced to tolerable levels (less disconnects during keeps pop size).

Real history expert here.

[charlysixb]

I was there! And even losing i got lot of fun, really a lot. There were crashes on both sides and good order morale bombs on stairs ( got me there ) just before the lord was killed. Nice day guys!