Comeback after lost Keep - Order made it first on 26.01. - 27.01.

[Kragg]

I was there! And even losing i got lot of fun, really a lot. There were crashes on both sides and good order morale bombs on stairs ( got me there ) just before the lord was killed. Nice day guys!

You too! Thanks!

[Buran]

We split. Avo's WB and 2 parties of Bitterstones took the Keep in KV. 2.5 partyes of Invasion with volunteers closed the postern and ground floor. I want to say Thanks for all of u, who fight and took the keep! Good job!

[Buttbeard]

That's one example of order classes being maybe not stronger but in this case able to bring more utility to the group than the destro counterpart. So yeah order do have a bit "stronger" ranged classes.

But yeah there is some people that goes way to far when claiming destro classes sux and order being OP. so much it turns into Bs.

Well, one has a cleanse, the other does not, however, since is a game based around group compositions, lets take a look at DoK and what brings to the group, group cleanse and his cleansing m2, there isnt such a thing as a cleansing m2 on order, at all, so should we compare bw to sorc or should we compare a destru group to an order group? Its the later.

Bw has a healdebuff, sorc has a group wide damage buff, Bw can spec a ranged kd, sorc has a base ranged disarm. Order has ranged kd available but almost no wounds debuffs, destruction doesnt have ranged kds at all but they have plenty of wound debuffs.

There is nuances to everything, the mere fact that despite trying their hardest, you can go and check the declined section of the proposal forums, destruction players are somehow unable to point this imbalances and keep coming back to either appeal to the mirror, fallacies or just cherry picking and telling half truths.

If what you say was true, it would have been solved long ago, the thing is, game is a lot more balanced that people give it credit for, they rather pretend is not to tell themselves they are playing in the losing team.

If what i say was true i don't think it would have been fixed. As i don't say it is a huge imbalance. its not enough to be game breaking so it would not be something that would be high on the priority list. Some do claim there is a huge difference. That order classes is OP compared to destro. That i agree is BS.

Yes Dok have some nice things that order does not Have this is one of the reasons i said that order have stronger ranged in particular (at least i think i said that as it is what i meant) And right now range over all are strong so it is a rather important part of the game.

For Bw and Sorc, yes sorc have a damage boost but a bit higher damage is not as effective as a heal debuff. and a ranged disarm don't stop a healer at ranged from healing in same way as a KD can do. What the sorc brings is good. i wont argue against that. but compared to what the BW do bring too a group its not AS good as that.
I agree that the game over all are well balanced, a game like this can never be fully balanced. Then they would have to do exact mirrors of everything. And it would become a bit like chess

I get the feeling that you think i am arguing that there is a huge difference. that order classes are much stronger over all in any cases. that destro is having a big disadvantage.
This is not what i am saying. I am pointing out that there are some differences between the faction classes, some in favor for destro and some in favor for order. but order have slightly more things that is in favor for them when it comes to classes.

Not a huge thing. if it had been as big as many say then yeah it would have been fixed or at least worked on.
But there is a difference in one side having some minor advantages and imbalance.

And i do agree that it is pretty silly how some complain and yell that Order are so much Op. But it is just as silly to pretend or deny the small differences that the game have.
How fun had it been if it had been completely balanced with exact mirrors, no difference in classes between the sides besides names and looks? If you ask me boring as hell.

[megadeath]

Looks only order is getting fun from this bullshit. For destro taking a zone is very stressful and feels like a damn chore.

[Daknallbomb]

aww cant here dat order does these or destru are these and so on when u guys will learn that order and destru are nearly the same players -.-

*edit* and order dont won the zone cause awesome teamwork or something after keep take from order destru went afk thats all so order got keep back . we had ONE wb after keep take we had ONE grp

[ToXoS]

aww cant here dat order does these or destru are these and so on when u guys will learn that order and destru are nearly the same players -.-

*edit* and order dont won the zone cause awesome teamwork or something after keep take from order destru went afk thats all so order got keep back . we had ONE wb after keep take we had ONE grp

What are you talking about?
Order won because of "sheer perseverance" and superior intelligence.
Not because destro had 120 % AAO...

[Daknallbomb]

Dude again.... I bet 30% of the "order" players where at least The Same destru players who capped The order keep. There is nearly destru order. If u are mad about order ure mad about destru

[Kragg]

aww cant here dat order does these or destru are these and so on when u guys will learn that order and destru are nearly the same players -.-

*edit* and order dont won the zone cause awesome teamwork or something after keep take from order destru went afk thats all so order got keep back . we had ONE wb after keep take we had ONE grp

What are you talking about?
Order won because of "sheer perseverance" and superior intelligence.
Not because destro had 120 % AAO...

Don't be so salty. Just say: Good fight! seeya in the lakes!

Just try it.

[ToXoS]

aww cant here dat order does these or destru are these and so on when u guys will learn that order and destru are nearly the same players -.-

*edit* and order dont won the zone cause awesome teamwork or something after keep take from order destru went afk thats all so order got keep back . we had ONE wb after keep take we had ONE grp

What are you talking about?
Order won because of "sheer perseverance" and superior intelligence.
Not because destro had 120 % AAO...

Don't be so salty. Just say: Good fight! seeya in the lakes!

Just try it.

I don't feel salty tbh. Like I already said, I didn't took part in the fights in KV.
But from what people said in the thread, destro was outnumbered anyway.

Also I find it low to make a thread about order being the first to do something in the game, particularly if that's not true.
Like Haojun said, destro made it first, even if the campaign was bugged and then reseted. I was there this time.
But there was no bragging topic created by destro players...

[Glorian]

Because it bugged out and didn't happened.
If you drive a race and don't make the last meter it is still not won.
And yes this is a brag thread. Because in general order chat you need to hear all this demoralizing stuff with order can't do a thing.
So this Thread and Happening is a Proof that we can.

@outnumbering. One side outnumbered the other almost everytime in the 12 hours.