Why you nerfed shaman?

[porkstar]

Morfee isnt a myth lol. I have seen him do stuff like this. He likes to run through keeps and lure ... (and ChineseHero) to their dooms....

Shots fired

[NSKaneda]

Dude if playing a shaman makes u rage that much why not try some other class

I did exactly that. Changes made to shaman class (not speed but mechanics) made me %#@%%@# so hard I rerolled order and stopped playing des altogether (after 2 months break to calm down)

[ToXoS]

There is nothing funny about marauders or the fact that you dont realize what you described is exactly what a marauder is, except the mobility part.

You are so deep the rabbit down hole that you cant even see what your realm has but you gotta tell us all how broken a class you probably never played is.

Not just the mobility...What about the burst? Marauder is not a burst class.
And mara doesn't have a reliable pull. Ever tried TE? works 1 time out of 10 on BW or SW. On healers or tanks, well you can forget it.

As I said, WL is only OP 1vs1.
Meaning: it's not OP (or broken).

[bloodi]

Not just the mobility...What about the burst? Marauder is not a burst class.

Have you actually tried any of them? Marauder can hit as hard as a WL, has a wounds debuff which makes bursting people way easier, doesnt ever rely on the pet being alive to do extra damage on crits and on top of that, has an actual heal debuff.

They both have an execute, mara doesnt need to be behind to do extra +25% damage unlike WL and dual wielding while it doesnt provide the same white damage burst a 2h has makes up for it with sustained proc damage due to mutation on the long run.

The only thing a wl has is pounce, everything else a marauder can do better.

And mara doesn't have a reliable pull. Ever tried TE? works 1 time out of 10 on BW or SW. On healers or tanks, well you can forget it.

So you are telling me that a pull than can be disrupted is much less reliable than a pet dependant pull where the pet has to go into melee range, with the wl within 65ft of it, can get parried/blocked or simply, you get the pet nuked before it even gets in range?

I need the stuff you smoke.

[ToXoS]

Not just the mobility...What about the burst? Marauder is not a burst class.

Have you actually tried any of them? Marauder can hit as hard as a WL, has a wounds debuff which makes bursting people way easier, doesnt ever rely on the pet being alive to do extra damage on crits and on top of that, has an actual heal debuff.

They both have an execute, mara doesnt need to be behind to do extra +25% damage unlike WL and dual wielding while it doesnt provide the same white damage burst a 2h has makes up for it with sustained proc damage due to mutation on the long run.

The only thing a wl has is pounce, everything else a marauder can do better.

And mara doesn't have a reliable pull. Ever tried TE? works 1 time out of 10 on BW or SW. On healers or tanks, well you can forget it.

So you are telling me that a pull than can be disrupted is much less reliable than a pet dependant pull where the pet has to go into melee range, with the wl within 65ft of it, can get parried/blocked or simply, you get the pet nuked before it even gets in range?

I need the stuff you smoke.

And you need to read what I wrote, not just picking up things for your arguments.

[Marsares]

Not just the mobility...What about the burst? Marauder is not a burst class.

Have you actually tried any of them? Marauder can hit as hard as a WL, has a wounds debuff which makes bursting people way easier, doesnt ever rely on the pet being alive to do extra damage on crits and on top of that, has an actual heal debuff.

They both have an execute, mara doesnt need to be behind to do extra +25% damage unlike WL and dual wielding while it doesnt provide the same white damage burst a 2h has makes up for it with sustained proc damage due to mutation on the long run.

The only thing a wl has is pounce, everything else a marauder can do better.

And mara doesn't have a reliable pull. Ever tried TE? works 1 time out of 10 on BW or SW. On healers or tanks, well you can forget it.

So you are telling me that a pull than can be disrupted is much less reliable than a pet dependant pull where the pet has to go into melee range, with the wl within 65ft of it, can get parried/blocked or simply, you get the pet nuked before it even gets in range?

I need the stuff you smoke.

And you need to read what I wrote, not just picking up things for your arguments.

He didn't just pick up things.
He picked your whole "argument" apart.

[ToXoS]

Have you actually tried any of them? Marauder can hit as hard as a WL, has a wounds debuff which makes bursting people way easier, doesnt ever rely on the pet being alive to do extra damage on crits and on top of that, has an actual heal debuff.

They both have an execute, mara doesnt need to be behind to do extra +25% damage unlike WL and dual wielding while it doesnt provide the same white damage burst a 2h has makes up for it with sustained proc damage due to mutation on the long run.

The only thing a wl has is pounce, everything else a marauder can do better.


So you are telling me that a pull than can be disrupted is much less reliable than a pet dependant pull where the pet has to go into melee range, with the wl within 65ft of it, can get parried/blocked or simply, you get the pet nuked before it even gets in range?

I need the stuff you smoke.

And you need to read what I wrote, not just picking up things for your arguments.

He didn't just pick up things.
He picked your whole "argument" apart.

My arguments was made on a solo perspective, I said it twice already. He clearly was talking on a group perspective, WL pet doesn't get nuked on 1vs1.

[Marsares]

And you need to read what I wrote, not just picking up things for your arguments.

He didn't just pick up things.
He picked your whole "argument" apart.

My arguments was made on a solo perspective, I said it twice already. He clearly was talking on a group perspective, WL pet doesn't get nuked on 1vs1.

All his arguments are equally valid in a 1v1 setting. He is not making reference to nuking a pet 1v1.

[porkstar]

Part of the problem for some surviving burst may be due to some server lag? I've looked at my combat logs and seen sometimes a dps getting 3 or 4 GCD off before I reacted. In my world however, I reacted after the first GCD. Or if I'm flash healing on RP, a DPS can sometimes get 2 gcd between my flash heals. I believe I've read here in the forums that if you press your next ability about 3/4 through the GCD (confirm?), you use abilities slightly faster than if you immediately mash your next ability. idk really.

[Miszczu5647]

Again, I am specced full defense on my shaman and in the process I give up every other aspect of my class. Healing suffers. DPS suffers.. All for what? To get my hopes up so maybe I can counter a single class that can burst me before I get off the ground? It's cheesy, it degrades the game and I would bet it drives people away. (based on in-game frustration chat everyday from random people) This seems to be the single biggest source of complaints I see in the game, day after day.

There is no way in a million years a wl is killing you before you get up the ground if you have a group.

If you dont have a group, this is a pointless rant of someone soloing.

I play shaman as my main. I don't touch order toons because they are... meh. And I agree with bloodi.
I was never ever bursted down by single WL in 2-3 GCD. Never happend. WL is great in 1vs1. And very good up to 12 vs 12. Nothing more.
He have big axe so he suppose to hit hard with it. Tiny reward for his looks

Maybe it is time to close this topic? Before ... you know.. someone will say something... inappropriate.