DoK Healing Tactics and Talis

[Kalterftw]

As the title says, looking for some help as to what our best tactics and Talis are. Bound By Blood, Eff Patching and AoE detaunt don't seem to be working. And is it still better for us to stack Armor talis or is tough better?

[Gerv]

Hey there, you must be newish

Here is a link to the thread with the current changes from live; viewtopic.php?f=52&t=8768

Down the bottom is the DoK. The efficient patching has been changed to cleanse either your whole group if you target a member or yourself if you target yourself. This is to provide counter plays to the DoK and WP cleanses and to raise the skill level of the ability to more than just mindless use to cleanse the entire group.

The AoE detaunt was alaso changed to require 2 swords, as on the WP, it requires a Great Weapon. This was also made to reduce the overall strength of the class because as you likely remember from live, the DoK and the WP were kings and queens of healer classes with AoE detaunt, healing resource on being hit and an AoE detaunt.

In terms of tactics, I would look to Efficient patching, you just need to take care of your target choice. Restorative motivation because you are not fully reliant on AP to heal for your class. Disipline to boost your healing numbers. The last tactic is up to you and your group.

[Kalterftw]

Thanks for the Reply, only minor changes from the Live version. DoK was my main since Beta and I guess I just got caught up in chatter and thought so much was changed/didn't work. The Terrifying aura change was a good change imo. Eff Patching Change is a nice breath of air too. I like having to decide whether it's more important to cleanse me or my groupmates.

[Kalterftw]

I've also been using reknown for Heal crit then Dodge dsirupt. Seems to be performing well but may not be optimal

[Gerv]

Right on, yep, I would advocate a similar distribution. Another renown skill worth investing in is Futile Strikes to reduce your chance to be crit.

[roadkillrobin]

I would sugest to don't even bother with healcrit.
The base chance to heal crit sits at around 10% and gear will give you another 10%. It's enough to proc stuff like Khaines Bounty or Restorative Burst consistantly on groupheals if you use those tactics.

I would suggest you invest 10 points in Reflexes, 10 points in Deft Defender. and 15 Points in Futile Strike. for RR35 Any remaning point i would put into Impetus>Fortitude.
At rr45 respec and run 20 Poiints into Reflexes then the same as above.
At rr55 respec and put 20 points into Deft Defender 20 points into Refexes + Same as above.

Moast of the time it's crowd controll that kills you. Maxing Parry, Dodge and Disrupt give you a good chance to avoid CC*s and it also reduces your incoming damage quit significantly. It's a nobrainer to max these stats imo.

As for talismans, Armor always been the best defensive ones points for points, but latly a bunch of new sets been added with lots of weaponskill and armordebuff procs on it. I don't have enough playtesting vs this yet and i've been a big advocate for Armor for a long time. But i'm not sure anymore. Toughness might be better, depending if people use those sets and procs or not.

[Kalterftw]

Still on fence about Armor vs Tough Talis, I know WL debuff 1600 armor. I Know Shamans Are Going Tough but they also have DSU. And with the Armor Debuff procs It might be worth the Switch Post RR40.

[Tesq]

Bound by blood is working and stack amazing with the 10% heal more. Those 2 taken by themself are nothing special but togheter they are cool, when you heal your self an aoe crit will auto ignore a 25% heal debuff.
Group cleanse is not really mandatory and i would take that only when you need to take focussed mins instead m2 cleanse. Keep in mind you can' t cleanse also your self when g-cleanse and you cant cleanse other groups. Basically in sc is better leave it at home and go m2 cleanse. In rvr go with focussed mind because that + flee is a life saver and allow you to kite.
As x armor vs toughness argument first thing first.
Sit your corporeal on 950+ ( cap at 641) to avoid be kill by 1 random bw + his debuff.
Then well i go with tough and crit build because crit mean more heals and more absorb proc.
Spec toughness mean the absorb proc and all bubble will be more effective so if you play in sc the buil is pretty solid. Remember to bring along either a shammy or a chosen to make your tough sit around 600+ at least. For less i found invest in parry a waste as melee will metodically circle you and with no in bound parry bonus from something like dual weild i find delt defender better overall.
Toughness also reduces crit pre calculation so a very high level of toughness crit is working as a trivial blow.

[Foltestik]

Bound by blood is working and stack amazing with the 10% heal more. Those 2 taken by themself are nothing special but togheter they are cool, when you heal your self an aoe crit will auto ignore a 25% heal debuff.
Group cleanse is not really mandatory and i would take that only when you need to take focussed mins instead m2 cleanse. Keep in mind you can' t cleanse also your self when g-cleanse and you cant cleanse other groups. Basically in sc is better leave it at home and go m2 cleanse. In rvr go with focussed mind because that + flee is a life saver and allow you to kite.
As x armor vs toughness argument first thing first.
Sit your corporeal on 950+ ( cap at 641) to avoid be kill by 1 random bw + his debuff.
Then well i go with tough and crit build because crit mean more heals and more absorb proc.
Spec toughness mean the absorb proc and all bubble will be more effective so if you play in sc the buil is pretty solid. Remember to bring along either a shammy or a chosen to make your tough sit around 600+ at least. For less i found invest in parry a waste as melee will metodically circle you and with no in bound parry bonus from something like dual weild i find delt defender better overall.
Toughness also reduces crit pre calculation so a very high level of toughness crit is working as a trivial blow.

pls dont play it like tesq say ...

[Aurandilaz]

This is the classic DoK build from live that I used for years:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=dok ... 9:;0:0:0:0:
However, the mid tree detaunt no longer works unless you have Dualwield, meaning you don't get permenant AoE detaunt up as a healer (was quite OP)
Also the Cleanse tactic now allows you to cleanse either your other party members, or just yourself. Before you could target yourself and have all party members also get cleansed, now it is either you or your party members (excluding you).

So, since Terrifying Aura no longer works for healers with Chalice, switch it maybe to some other nice stuff, "nice" varying according to situation.
Potent Covenants seems okay, if they happen to apply to everyone in your party, can't remember that. (even more snare procs for everyone)
Fueled Actions seems kinda bad, since it motivates you to see damage from frontlines. Only consider it if you like living dangerously or know that you will be getting AoE dmg anyway.
Restorative Burst is somewhat wasted on DoK, your main resource being Soul Essence, plus you can always AP pot in need, otherwise you won't be demanding much AP anyway.


For talismans, Armour is a must as always. There is so much physical dmg in this game flying around, that unless you really like living risky life, don't deviate from armour stacking.

As for renown points: Heal Crit can be okay if you can spare some points from your defensive needs, but if you know that you have issues dying often, get defensive stats like Disrupt/Dodge, even some Parry, Futile Strikes... Cleansing Wind is a solid recommendation for any healer, because when the enemy focuses on you, they will focus with a dozen dots that you just cannot cleanse all by yourself, and the CW will save your life. Resolute Defences is also good if you know that enemy CC results often in your death.

Try to keep distance from enemy DPS, keep doing Blood Offerings for Soul Essence and spam that AOE ability that gives you back SE. Press detaunt often, and carry a lot of Health Pots with you, because just in case...