Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)

[Daknallbomb]

Tanks that Just guard one target? Hell stop play Tank As Tank than. Well If a Tank wanna play offensiv and dont have The stats to guard someone its his choice and its okay. When He wanna play like that. But As off Tank you can guard. If you have The gear and renown points easy. Me As a dps shammy Cant heal ( execpt a sos heal) my big heal or grp heal heals nearly nothing

[Celtic]

I think the problem with DPS healers is it seems if they arn't healing themselves then they don't heal anyone else and that can be a problem speically if they are the only healer in an SC for example, and i dont think ive ever got a res on any of my classes from a DPS healer....and i think that gets peoples backs up. To be honest most (not all) people who roll a dps healer do it for selfish reasons, to be able to dps and heal themselves, and thats why they are ALL tarred with the same brush, but i know there are some out there that arn't selfish none ressing asses lol but sadly they are all thought of in the same way.

[Daknallbomb]

I think the problem with DPS healers is it seems if they arn't healing themselves then they don't heal anyone else and that can be a problem speically if they are the only healer in an SC for example, and i dont think ive ever got a res on any of my classes from a DPS healer....and i think that gets peoples backs up. To be honest most (not all) people who roll a dps healer do it for selfish reasons, to be able to dps and heal themselves, and thats why they are ALL tarred with the same brush, but i know there are some out there that arn't selfish none ressing asses lol but sadly they are all thought of in the same way.

Dont forget that a fully dps equipped healer char Cant rly heal other. Ppl are caling for heals. Well my hots tick for 200 all three seconds. Gorks will fix it heals 230 for 50 ap only Thing is a few life tap or grp heals If u have Mork points. Ppl forget Simply that it makes no sense than. But some dps healers have to See Things like Holding Tanks alive with Bit hotting and so on is possibel and Just playing Ego style. What i mean is you Cant Blame a dps shammy for healing Bad If He is The only one in sc
When He Cant Do more. I got flames with stats like 330k dmg 14 dbs 120k healing and still got flames.from The other side i get flames mostly from Enemy side like. Well you play dps shammy you need no skill blah blah... Sry play shammy As effektiv dps is harder than do it with a Real dps

[Aurandilaz]

When He Cant Do more. I got flames with stats like 330k dmg 14 dbs 120k healing and still got flames.from The other side i get flames mostly from Enemy side like. Well you play dps shammy you need no skill blah blah... Sry play shammy As effektiv dps is harder than do it with a Real dps

uh no?
A dps shaman has:
-ranged dmg, you can do most of your dmg while keeping a 100 feet between you and target
-self heal, even if you take occasional hit or dot, you can heal yourself on the move and cleanse yourself
-several high damage dots you can cast while moving, heck, even a strong AP drain
-you can spec for StickyFeetz whilst still going to dmg trees with rest of points, allowing you to snare anyone foolish enough to go 1v1 against a ranged magic dmg caster that has a self heal
-speed procs; RunAway is simply too good not to be used whether you healer or dps, one dot+luck and you enter hyperspeed (compared to trying to move as a snared mdps...)

A large majority of solo players in lakes do everything they can to simply avoid a 1v1 encounter with dps AM/shaman.
In scs they become less of a threat if you have someone healing and cleansing you, but their magical damage is still quite potent when assisting other damage doers.

From my past experience on live and from trying the dps Am/shaman a bit here, they are anything but harder to play effectively when compared to other dps classes. A good healer can however easily mitigate most of the dmg that comes from the dots, which makes them somewhat inefficient when facing a healer who knows what cleansing is.

[Daknallbomb]

When He Cant Do more. I got flames with stats like 330k dmg 14 dbs 120k healing and still got flames.from The other side i get flames mostly from Enemy side like. Well you play dps shammy you need no skill blah blah... Sry play shammy As effektiv dps is harder than do it with a Real dps

uh no?
A dps shaman has:
-ranged dmg, you can do most of your dmg while keeping a 100 feet between you and target
-self heal, even if you take occasional hit or dot, you can heal yourself on the move and cleanse yourself
-several high damage dots you can cast while moving, heck, even a strong AP drain
-you can spec for StickyFeetz whilst still going to dmg trees with rest of points, allowing you to snare anyone foolish enough to go 1v1 against a ranged magic dmg caster that has a self heal
-speed procs; RunAway is simply too good not to be used whether you healer or dps, one dot+luck and you enter hyperspeed (compared to trying to move as a snared mdps...)

A large majority of solo players in lakes do everything they can to simply avoid a 1v1 encounter with dps AM/shaman.
In scs they become less of a threat if you have someone healing and cleansing you, but their magical damage is still quite potent when assisting other damage doers.

From my past experience on live and from trying the dps Am/shaman a bit here, they are anything but harder to play effectively when compared to other dps classes. A good healer can however easily mitigate most of the dmg that comes from the dots, which makes them somewhat inefficient when facing a healer who knows what cleansing is.

Hm First of All dont get me wrong. I meant with a sorc its easyier to Make effektiv dmg than with a shammy.
Second youre Bit self heal rly doesent matter in proper grp play
Third yousing dots with shammy is most uneffektiv way to play em
Fourth dir sticky feetz and run away is no room As effektiv dps shammy
Edit : youre effektiv dmg range is 40-80 feet not 100
Soloing is rly Another Story or pug ging thats massiv more easy than with a sorc or something

[Aurandilaz]

Of course sorc makes more damage than a dps shaman, sorcs are literally the top one damage doer in the game, similar with brighties. A machine gun that can overheat, but when properly "cooled"/healed will provide extreme damage output.
An alternative source for healing should never be dismissed, especially considering how potent leech healing is thanks to .ab ex mode.
Dots do not ofc provide the same burst as BigWaagh or BunchofWaagh, but considering there's three of them, and they get to crit, they can hurt like hell.
RunAway is IMO a must for every shaman build, its a tactic that is simply too good not to be used.
As for StickyFeetz, few other classes can have similar opportunity to control the battlefield with an AoE snare from distance like AM/shaman can. Especially when it also reduces elemental resists.
Yes, BW has 65ft range, but most of your damage can be fired from 100 feet, meaning you have lot of time to move before enemies get anywhere close to you.

A good healer will ofc negate your burst, just like they negate damage from any other damage class.
DPS shaman is quite potent class to play, and considering their vast array of survival mechanism, StickyFeetz, AP drain, cleanse, two detaunts, EEEEK!... they can be quite a beast.

Currently the class is not hard; it was hard on live, but these days T4 is less brutal.

[Daknallbomb]

Of course sorc makes more damage than a dps shaman, sorcs are literally the top one damage doer in the game, similar with brighties. A machine gun that can overheat, but when properly "cooled"/healed will provide extreme damage output.
An alternative source for healing should never be dismissed, especially considering how potent leech healing is thanks to .ab ex mode.
Dots do not ofc provide the same burst as BigWaagh or BunchofWaagh, but considering there's three of them, and they get to crit, they can hurt like hell.
RunAway is IMO a must for every shaman build, its a tactic that is simply too good not to be used.
As for StickyFeetz, few other classes can have similar opportunity to control the battlefield with an AoE snare from distance like AM/shaman can. Especially when it also reduces elemental resists.
Yes, BW has 65ft range, but most of your damage can be fired from 100 feet, meaning you have lot of time to move before enemies get anywhere close to you.

A good healer will ofc negate your burst, just like they negate damage from any other damage class.
DPS shaman is quite potent class to play, and considering their vast array of survival mechanism, StickyFeetz, AP drain, cleanse, two detaunts, EEEEK!... they can be quite a beast.

Currently the class is not hard; it was hard on live, but these days T4 is less brutal.

A Bit off topic But using dots in proper pvp is rly dumb. It eats to much ap and gork points and it can be cleansed. If you have luck and all three dots perma crit its about 1000 - 1400 dmg all three seconds But mostly they are cleansed. One Rotation with gork points ( Standart) crit brain bursta, dwic , ygn, bow ( 2,6 sec cast time) 1, 6 second Hit time is If all crit 4000 - 7000 k dmg that hits in 1,6 seconds . After that you have to build New gork points and Do it again and so on. There is nearly never room for dotting ( execpt one, bfm) and ap drain. Everything Else is less effektiv. But that Calls Just for proper 6vs 6 12 vs 12 and so on. In dou, Soloing or pugging dots can be good. With shammy you have one slot As defensiv taktic and that should be Auto detaunt because together with taunt or guard u have 62,5% dmg reduction other taktics has to be crit, dmg, taughness debuff. There is no other way.

Back to topic : my expirience As dps healer is that you only earn hate in pug scs where no healer is or in orvr solo roam from The Enemy. When i play in grp i dont earn hate. I think well loosing a pug sc where noone heals But there is a dps healer all ppl think they loose because the dps healer is nit healing. But thats wrong you loose because there is no healer

[Lancez]

To be honest most (not all) people who roll a dps healer do it for selfish reasons, to be able to dps and heal themselves...

I would like to address this part. When you say selfish reasons I think you mean "prioritizing their solo experience above that of group play", would this be correct?

Isn't choosing a class to play not a selfish decision in itself? don't people pick to play what they will enjoy? independently of and above that effect on others? For the most part anyway, I'm sure there are some people that prioritize group needs over their own but I think that's not sustainable and in the minority.

My concern is that you've painted playing a healing capable class in dps mode as more selfish than usual, based on the group impact. But that depends on measurement criteria. adding dps to kill the enemy healers can be just as valuable as healing ones own group members. Stopping to rez a fallen comrade or killing en enemy is again an objective matter.

I don't think choosing a class or spec is selfish to a fault, I think expecting/demanding to benefit in situations that are suited for it would be more of the problem. example expecting to be taken as dps to a group when a healer is neeeded. That's selfish imo

[peterthepan3]

I play a Wrath WP because wielding a huge sledge and executing people with HoS appeals to me.

You need to use your dots as a dps shaman if you wanna kill anything that is healed/played by a competent player. They also cover your hd.

Also sticky feetz debuffs ele resist, plus has amazing usage potential, so I always get that over a silence someone else can bring.

[Telen]

All dps are selfish then as there is never lack of them and heals and especially snb tanks are needed far more. At least dps healers can help with that. Pure dps cant even do that.