Why Beastlord for DoK have parry striketrough?

[peterthepan3]

I thought you were talking about DPS DOKs. If you're talking about playing as a melee healer dok (and 2 other DPS in group), then you should prioritise other stats over WS, of course.

[Arena]

Ah, you said mdd dok, which I took as melee direct damage dok, not melee healer dok. I suppose it might be different then.

Melee DoK is still a healer. MDPS DoK and melee healer DoK is the same thing. There is not any and should not be DoKs, who make damage and not heal their party members. There are many melee damage classes for it already. DoK is unique because his ability to make acceptable amount of damage and heal his group at the same time. That is only thing he can do, so everyone who play only as damagers and heal only themselves are dumbasses and a shame for all decent DoKs reputation.
DoK can use more damage abilities when party is safe or start to use damage abilities when his party needs it. What else DoK have and can do? He already can't make more damage than a choppa or witch elf, he can't heal more than zealot of shaman, and he don't have lots of debuffs or useful enhances for his group, can't snare targets, dont have charge or any of hundreds other advantage upon any other mdd class. So only thing DoK can is heal his party and kill enemies at the same time.
What else does any group may need DoK for? Nothing.

[Penril]

So what role does a melee healer fulfill? What setup benefits from having one?

They can't take a full healer slot imho; you gotta have 2 full backline healers. Maybe a 1-3-2 with 2 strong rDPS classes and a guarded Dok helping with extra heals, focusing the group on survivability instead of lol-u-r-ded-dps?

Or are melee healers simply useless atm and don't fit in any setup whatsoever?

[peterthepan3]

So what role does a melee healer fulfill? What setup benefits from having one?

They can't take a full healer slot imho; you gotta have 2 full backline healers. Maybe a 1-3-2 with 2 strong rDPS classes and a guarded Dok helping with extra heals, focusing the group on survivability instead of lol-u-r-ded-dps?

Or are melee healers simply useless atm and don't fit in any setup whatsoever?

They work very well against pug groups: you generally don't need a lot of healing to counter the damage of pugs, so the extra DPS the dok/wp brings helps to shut them down quicker. Heck, even using the Grace wounds buff serves to get the job done most of the time.

They struggle immensely against good premades because good players will know how to completely negate a melee healer via exploiting their weaknesses: lack of mobility, and heals that are dependent on bypassing targets defenses (assuming we are talking about a melee healer actually taking a healer slot, as opposed to being a 3rd offheal)

Starilas group iirc used melee healing doks for heals with 1 zealot/dok healing, and it worked in small maps like EC due to ease of switching targets from tank to squishie (everyone is close together, so you aren't as easily bitched).

[nebelwerfer]

Ofc their potential is great, for example with the imperator set the channeled attack is more reliable and gives chunks of heal over short time unparallelled in any other spec. Problem is not balance IMO but as OP claims their lack of good gear.

This will be resolved in 2 weeks as i was told in the thread i made on the subject. I would urge devs not to make any balance changes until then since in my experience its viability and potential is great and buffing it when there is not really competitive gear will result in bad balance.

However im glad more people draw attention to the subject, and i read this thread with much interest

[freshour]

I just read the first page but I believe this set was made from .ABEX mode - but it was never changed after the experimental mode was removed. Obviously it is a melee set and should not have willpower on it because that makes literally zero sense when other classes have beastlord sets that are BIS in some cases for 3-4 pieces....

But devs like where melee wp/dok are so don't expect it to change lol, if anything it'd get swapped to another heal set I bet.

[adei]

Derailed pretty quick.

Parry strikethrough is fine as a stat imo, the issue for beastlord for the DoK and WP is stat allocation, even ruin suffers with this. Imo willpower on beastlord should be swapped with another primary stat such as strength considering weapon skill is already allocated for on the gear. Perhaps ruin could be made into a full healer set so then they both have a PvE gear set to use in conjunction with the rvr sets.

It's a small change but these classes no longer have .ab ex so the current use of willpower as melee is very small, and the use of weapon skill and backline is also a waste.

[freshour]

Derailed pretty quick.

Parry strikethrough is fine as a stat imo, the issue for beastlord for the DoK and WP is stat allocation, even ruin suffers with this. Imo willpower on beastlord should be swapped with another primary stat such as strength considering weapon skill is already allocated for on the gear. Perhaps ruin could be made into a full healer set so then they both have a PvE gear set to use in conjunction with the rvr sets.

It's a small change but these classes no longer have .ab ex so the current use of willpower as melee is very small, and the use of weapon skill and backline is also a waste.

I think the potential mindset is that "if" WP/DOK get .ABEX mode V2 - they'd have to change all the sets back to WP/WS again - but in reality, I think it'd make more doks want to get the set if they swapped it to WS and Wounds or WS and STR - hell I'd even take toughness/str.

It also is a bit rough because WS is fairly useless until you hit str softcap as long as it is over 250-300. In theory beastlord should be a REALLY awesome set, I mean you killed the hardest beats in the land. But yeah I agree with you, either make it a heal set, or a melee set, and not something in the middle lol when every other class besides wp/dok gets correct stats

[Arena]

So what role does a melee healer fulfill? What setup benefits from having one?

They can't take a full healer slot imho; you gotta have 2 full backline healers. Maybe a 1-3-2 with 2 strong rDPS classes and a guarded Dok helping with extra heals, focusing the group on survivability instead of lol-u-r-ded-dps?

Or are melee healers simply useless atm and don't fit in any setup whatsoever?

guarded mdd dok can heal whole group, heal one target, support with sustain direct damage.
Tell about melee DoK uselessness to this screenshot:

mdd dok can be used in any melee oriented group outside 2+2+2 standart.

[Penril]

SC screenshots mean nothing.

And I wasn't saying that melee healers were useless. I was asking... specifically, which setup would they benefit the most from.