Are BWs obsolete?

[Collateral]

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Also this argument from the BO tank a couple of pages earlier seems really pickey.
They claim they (BWs) can hit for 500 blabla. So he would not use his defensiv tool (because it only absorbs 500 dmg)
It is not like a BW is pressing a button and does for sure 500 dmg to a tank.
There are second long casts + you have to actually hit (not blocked/disrupted) +++ you need to hardcast.
The "if stars align every 6 second instant fireball" or fiery blast, arent as good as people are making that up, especially if 1 out of 3 of those "free instacasts" are also disrupted lol... Unless you spec for the tactic and be forced to the first tree.

If you're a single bw in a wb, you have no right to complain imo. But your point makes no sense anyway. You don't fight against a single bw in rvr. Try fighting 8+ bws + sws + slayers That's why my argument is not pickey and my point still stands, bo bubble is useless in wbs.

I'm not saying bw is absolutely op or whatever (it is 'just slightly op' in wbs). I don't play the class so I wouldn't know. But I know how we run our wbs, and how ez mode it is when you have a right composition on order.

No, just no...
Did you even read my post? WARBAND - Class balance is a whole other beast. I was clearly talking about mainly SCs. Especially if warband zergs are not requiring that much skill anyway, that is more a point of numbers.
Also your argument about BWs seems odd. Destru got quite an increase of magus (is it Magii?). Its not like you go harakiri mode and to far into the front. Because there are a lot of Magus (hello range)+ Tanks Melees that will get you hard. Try telling your healer he should do his job properly if you have a kilometer long debuff/dot list on you + some melees only because you "wanted to show your theoretical dmg potential" on unguarded squishies.
Sure BW dmg is strong when multiple BWs spam it on a frontline, but so are other range classes if they "bomb".
Not sure why my reasoning does not make any sense to you, if you seem to putting the whole BW story out of context yourself and suddenly talk about of 8 BW in a bulk...

You are the one that mentioned the bo bubble out of nowhere, saying my argument "seems really pickey". I replied to dansari who was talking about warbands and said that bo has a good bubble. I said that he doesn't and explained why. And I did so within a certain context, which is bws in warbands. You said "It is not like a BW is pressing a button and does for sure 500 dmg to a tank.", but that is exactly what's happening in large scale rvr that I was talking about in my response to dansari (so I'm not sure who is actually out of context here since I was talking about warbands the whole time). A big number of dps players (be it bw or someone else) are using everything they got. And the result of that is a lot of damage coming your way (damage that has a smaller (not small) chance to be defended if you're not using HTL). A 500 absorb bubble is simply useless in those situations since most of that damage will hit you if you don't use HTL. Period. My argument is not pickey, period. I would simply never use the bubble in warbands (and even small scale).

That's all I have to say. You can continue your discussion about the class in small scale scenarios, I don't have much to add there since as I said, I don't play the class.

[Cimba]

Possibly, yet I am also inclined to believe that noone is really testing it post-patch, due to lack of serious/hardcore PvP players/guilds (the competitive scene is essentially dead), thus such blanket statements may/may not be necessarily true.
My points were aimed at OT, and others, suggesting that the BW is 'obsolete', or in an utterly useless shape. I accepted that there are flaws with the class, some difficulties posed by the new changes (including those you mentioned above which exacerbate it), but reject entirely that the class is in any worse a position than several others, and that the class cannot perform in 'competitive situations'.

Hence why it warrants some testing post-patch because, as you are aware I'm sure, there is hardly ample competition around anymore, or an active scene, where classes can be thoroughly tested against one another.

Let me get this straight. It was proven that BW are hardly competitive under the best circumstances (for small scale). Now that the circumstances have changed quite a bit to the disadvantage of BW you want to verify it that it's still ****. Well be my guest .

I'm also not saying that everyone has it better than BW. Far from it. BW has it's place in the rvr. I'm not sure where IBs have their place. But if I hadn't set my mind on bringing my BW finally up to 80 I would probably play something else right now.

[Penril]

Ok. All the pro BWs/Sorcs in this thread can maybe get together in Discord and think of an interesting proposal to post in the BDF.

Time to lock.