Lowbies in t4.

[lefze]

Is this guy legit getting salty for getting rekt in rvr. Dude u die u learn from it and also ur low lvl i dont see the logic where u think u shold be able to 1v1 fully geard chars

The issue at hand is that he doesn't want to be expected to try to 1v1 fully geared chars as a lowbie, and I agree no one should be forced into that situation. And it goes the other way around aswell, why should fully geared characters have to deal with loads of lowbies? Such bad returns for our grind. It's simply a matter of quality, now we have the population numbers, but the quality of the PvP is way too low when theres TONS of lowbies around. So as far as I see it, quality is the next step to improving RvR.

[Hargrim]

I think people mean that t2/t3 zone rewards should be like the t4 ones. Low tier rewards did not upgrade after the server merge. I got a white with a lowbie blue item inside yesterday in Shadowlands.

You are aware that there is Genesis in T2 Gold bags and Genesis/Subjugator weapons in Purple/Gold bags in T3?

[CaledorTree]

@Hargrim

Speaking from experience, TUP will generally by rule always go where the most enemies are to fight... that is our Mantra and decision making (zone pop checking) before picking zones

I know sometimes people go to other zones if we can't be zerged to avoid us (i've seen the AAO drastically swap multiple times after entering a zone in a short space of time)

I also know that some people who appreciate small scale will always pick the least busy zone if given the choice

Alot of people tend to flock towards where the most action is... Natural zergs then form from that or bottlenecks (keeps)

I've only gone to lesser populated zones on perhaps three occasions to defend a keep fast, or stalking CNTK (because they are our frenemies and most challenge online at the time )

Except of bragging your badassness, in what manner did your post help the thread?
@Hargrim: Never got gold in low tier zones ever Dices do not love me.

[Hargrim]

The issue at hand is that he doesn't want to be expected to try to 1v1 fully geared chars as a lowbie, and I agree no one should be forced into that situation. And it goes the other way around aswell, why should fully geared characters have to deal with loads of lowbies? Such bad returns for our grind. It's simply a matter of quality, now we have the population numbers, but the quality of the PvP is way too low when theres TONS of lowbies around. So as far as I see it, quality is the next step to improving RvR.

Low quality comes from people attitude, not their levels. But do tell, how can we improve it?

[Sulorie]

But rewards are not bad . That's the point.

Well it is true that other open zones are more or less empty, apart from a few solo players capping even fewer flags and wait there for small reward ticks.
Like 90% of population tends to gather in one zone, all other zones are basically dead or have a handful players who failed to find the single active zone.

[CaledorTree]

Spoiler:

The issue at hand is that he doesn't want to be expected to try to 1v1 fully geared chars as a lowbie, and I agree no one should be forced into that situation. And it goes the other way around aswell, why should fully geared characters have to deal with loads of lowbies? Such bad returns for our grind. It's simply a matter of quality, now we have the population numbers, but the quality of the PvP is way too low when theres TONS of lowbies around. So as far as I see it, quality is the next step to improving RvR.

Low quality comes from people attitude, not their levels. But do tell, how can we improve it?

IQ test before being allowed to sign up in the project. Tutorial videos.
But oh, you were not serious....

Warning issued for this post - Penril

[Hargrim]

Well, I think it's not often about "blobing elsewhere", as today for example we had T2, where nothing was happening, and Destro locked it pretty fast, then we had again a bit empty T3 locked pretty fast by Destro again, and when T4 was open, suddenly Order has appeared and Praag was going for hours.

Whose fault was that?

[Hargrim]

But oh, you were not serious....

I was, I asked him for solution of the 'zerg problem'. The last one praised by this kind was 'open more zones'. It did that much good.

[lefze]

The issue at hand is that he doesn't want to be expected to try to 1v1 fully geared chars as a lowbie, and I agree no one should be forced into that situation. And it goes the other way around aswell, why should fully geared characters have to deal with loads of lowbies? Such bad returns for our grind. It's simply a matter of quality, now we have the population numbers, but the quality of the PvP is way too low when theres TONS of lowbies around. So as far as I see it, quality is the next step to improving RvR.

Low quality comes from people attitude, not their levels. But do tell, how can we improve it?

It's all tied together. Obviously the population suffers from extreme l2p issues, but why should it be made even worse by creating massive uneccesary powergaps? Just gonna go ahead and copy-paste from the thread with the poll:

This system is far superior to the old one, but only because of the population. The second the tier progression was removed the level mechanic that made the tiers necessary should also have been done away with. It's obsolete, not only because there isn't actually anything tied to the levels except abilities, but because renown/gear is the main progression in the game. At this point all the levels does is degrade the actual benefits of the merge by creating a way larger than necessary powergap between a "lowbie" and a more mature character. The gap from renown+gear is big enough, just the way it is. So even if the poll shows that the new system is superior, it still doesn't mean that the OPs point isn't very much valid.

[Wam]

Hargrim asked a question, I gave him feedback as a experienced tester from my personal experience...

you feeling left out that its not about you?

I am straight forward I don't need to brag about anything, if anything in this game is worth bragging about...

But if you complain about dying, I know you will complain about TUP soon enough bro so keep it up I look forward to it