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Scrilian
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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#91 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:17 pm

Lektroluv wrote:
I didn't said that, is your friend the one triying to nerf destruction classes other time, while he hide what he is doing with the WH and other classes, for avoid nerfs in him toons.

I would trust him, if he said something about how he shouldn't be allowed to do 1 vs 3 players... but that is a utopia, one player asking for a nerf in him own classes, isn't it?
Putting up a ~month of solo footage into a rather short public video of successful ambushes hardly qualifies as "hiding".
Nevertheless I find your approach to calling out poor old Feroze rather hilarious. How dare he advocate for destruction nerfs while being a capable solo player :mrgreen:
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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#92 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:19 pm

Osred wrote:Or you could play one and see that it isn't as easy as you think it is. Its what I did, my opinions changed completely.
I have BG and still same opinion.
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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#93 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:25 pm

Part of what likely exaggerates the Destro/Order balance is people that X-Realm. There was a reason this was a ban-able offense on live. Part of what made ORvR fun especially on the weekends was the punch/counterpunch of destro working on one zone while order was working on another. Leaving enough people to slow down the opposing side or stalemate them at a keep.

It was a race and if your side locked up to the fort almost everyone dropped what they were doing for offense/defense of the fort. This wasn't always the case when you were aiming for a city siege but it was the norm.

Without having Forts accessible the real consequence for lack of coordination and cooperation isn't there. Will Fortress fights solve it all? nope, but it will help bring a balance to the equation with a consequence for not working together.

Ocara does a solid job leading and organizing, but if Destro chat was any indication of what's to come in the near future Order has nothing to worry about. We'll simply self destruct and turn into a bunch of whiny tweens instead of working together.

Disclaimer - NONE of this is meant to bash the devs at all, and I appreciate all your hard work every day. This post is not meant to blame,inflame, or create strife so please don't take it that way.

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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#94 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:26 pm

Lektroluv wrote:
Thamor wrote:So funny when anyone points out at the power of BG changes in this server, some destro guy comes up with all BS talk.

Nerf BG should be a motto for any Order player who understands anything about class balance =)

The moment you talk about nerfing BG, when you have a SWORDMASTER in your signature... making me laught-hard.

Any word against doing 600 critical hits with chaneled attack in another tanks, with 920 toughnes, and caped spiritual resistance... due to your mechanic?? i doubt it.
When your only comparison is damage from a SM makes me laugh. Nerf BG :)
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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#95 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:27 pm

Lektroluv wrote:doing 600 critical hits with chaneled attack in another tanks, with 920 toughnes
I ask myself the same question everyday... why is this still allowed?

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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#96 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:53 pm

Scrilian wrote:
Lektroluv wrote:
I didn't said that, is your friend the one triying to nerf destruction classes other time, while he hide what he is doing with the WH and other classes, for avoid nerfs in him toons.

I would trust him, if he said something about how he shouldn't be allowed to do 1 vs 3 players... but that is a utopia, one player asking for a nerf in him own classes, isn't it?
Putting up a ~month of solo footage into a rather short public video of successful ambushes hardly qualifies as "hiding".
Nevertheless I find your approach to calling out poor old Feroze rather hilarious. How dare he advocate for destruction nerfs while being a capable solo player :mrgreen:
That did not stoped order from crying for 2 years over Shs untill they got nerfed to the ground. because innability to cope with good players playing them .

Feroze comments display a absolute lack of understanding the classes he mentioned, to name a few he seriously called out borks for cannot hit me , while sms has wall of darting steel without even need to spec for it (aswerll sm version doesnt snare user), aoe snare lol, 50 ap aoe snare with tactics droped to 3 seconds from 5, and put a 10 sec cd.
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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#97 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:57 pm

M0rw47h wrote: First issue are White Lions, since they are superior in small scale, people rolling those usualy aren't interesting in group play, as they can acomplish what they want alone as WL is completly broken in small scale and rather barely useful in clash of zergs. Thus, Order has too many soloers not interested in warband+ play.
I don't agree with your implication that WL's are overpowered in small scale, but I do agree with your overall conclusion that because of the design of a number of Order classes, you see a much larger demographic who wishes to play solo. Humans are hardwired to take the path of least resistance towards a goal, and if they are able to do something (in this case, PvP and/or progression) alone at a decent rate relative to the time it takes to find/form a group, they will always go solo. Lots of Order classes can not only get away with soloing in the lakes, they can be quite effective at; and because of a few notable class differences (i.e. Witch Elf vs. Witch Hunter), the trend doesn't seem to be as prominent on Destruction. However, I'm not totally sold on a class restructuring to get rid of that problem. I think your second point is where the focus should be:
M0rw47h wrote: Second issue is lack of leaders in NA time, I've few times played on my Order alt when Order had ~200% AAO and while peopel constantly ask "any warband up?" for 3 zones in a row - they never think about making open party of warband by themselves. It's even worse when you throw "open party on me, join if you want guard/auras" and none of those soloers gonna join you...
Warband leaders have always been a problem for WAR. No one wants to step up to the plate and lead, no one wants to follow the leader when one does try to take the mantle, they continually criticize them and undermine their authority (or not give him any in the first place), and being a "PuG leader" is often looked down upon by other established guild leaders. Its a lot of responsibility for very little reward. You can't fix this problem mechanically (RoR heavily favors warband leaders for contribution, in the old system at least, yet we saw no increase in leaders), this has to be fixed by the individuals or the community at large.
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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#98 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:21 pm

Arteker616 wrote: That did not stoped order from crying for 2 years over Shs untill they got nerfed to the ground. because innability to cope with good players playing them .

Feroze comments display a absolute lack of understanding the classes he mentioned, to name a few he seriously called out borks for cannot hit me , while sms has wall of darting steel without even need to spec for it (aswerll sm version doesnt snare user), aoe snare lol, 50 ap aoe snare with tactics droped to 3 seconds from 5, and put a 10 sec cd.
It's nothing compared to sheer scream of "NERF ORDIR NAOW" that poor mythic and then bioware forums have endured. Kind of remind me of your posting, keep it up ;)
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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#99 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:12 pm

Sm dmg is spirit based, so if u want mitigate his dmg u just need to get some spirit resistance, u dont need to ask for a nerf on forum.

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Re: Racial imbalance

Post#100 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:33 pm

What I find hilarious is that no one has pointed out how silly it is that someone is complaining, as the basis of their entire argument, that three SORCS, some of the WORST SOLO CLASSES, got killed by a rr70 WITCH HUNTER, one of the BEST SOLO CLASSES.
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