Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?

[kam19080]

Isn't any bubbles (absording skills) stack with the mitigation?



as u can see this photo, 3XX dmg was absorbed each time and the mitigation is almost 9X-14X







and the 2nd photo, u can see that the mitigation without absorbing skill is 33X-37X

So, it shows that the absorbing skill haven't stack with the mitigation, right?

Should anyone give me an answer?

Thankyou very much!

[Azarael]

Absorbs are applied after the offensive stat is added, but before any other part of the damage calculation, including armor and resistance. This makes them very effective against significant damage bonuses on magical attacks (such as from BW and Sorc critical damage bonus modifiers) where the resistance mitigation is likely to be low because of debuffs, and the bonus damage mod is extremely high. They are also more useful if you're heavily armor debuffed. However, the more damage is dissipated by detaunt, Challenge, Crippling Strikes, outgoing damage debuffs on the target, incoming damage reduction on you, armor, resistance, etc, the worse shields become, to the point where the amount of actual damage the shield saves can be one tenth of the shield's actual value. Something like Phantom's Blade saves you about 100 actual damage per proc, for example, in most cases.

[kam19080]

Absorbs are applied after the offensive stat is added, but before any other part of the damage calculation, including armor and resistance. This makes them very effective against significant damage bonuses on magical attacks (such as from BW and Sorc critical damage bonus modifiers) where the resistance mitigation is likely to be low because of debuffs, and the bonus damage mod is extremely high. They are also more useful if you're heavily armor debuffed. However, the more damage is dissipated by detaunt, Challenge, Crippling Strikes, outgoing damage debuffs on the target, incoming damage reduction on you, armor, resistance, etc, the worse shields become, to the point where the amount of actual damage the shield saves can be one tenth of the shield's actual value. Something like Phantom's Blade saves you about 100 actual damage per proc, for example, in most cases.

Thankyou very much of your answer.

So that, absorbing skill is more effective when its applied on lower mitigation classes (DPS, healers than tanks) ?

[Azarael]

Correct, and also more effective the fewer damage reductions are in play at the time. The effect of a shield is exactly the same, for example, whether the target is detaunting or not.

[Gangan]

As far as I understood it is Defend (parry,block,etc.) -> absorb -> mitigate

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They are also more useful if you're heavily armor debuffed. However, the more damage is dissipated (...) the worse shields become, to the point where the amount of actual damage the shield saves can be one tenth of the shield's actual value.(...)

I'm not sure if I get this right. If you have a high mitigation your shield absorbs "less" because the dmg it held back would have been heavily reduced anyway ?

And what about crits? I read several times in /ad and in some threads here, that an absorbed skill can't crit. I however have made some testing and got critted while beeing shielded. The vanilla dmg would have been absorb, but due to the crit some came through.

[Azarael]

I'm not sure if I get this right. If you have a high mitigation your shield absorbs "less" because the dmg it held back would have been heavily reduced anyway ?

Correct.

And what about crits? I read several times in /ad and in some threads here, that an absorbed skill can't crit. I however have made some testing and got critted while beeing shielded. The vanilla dmg would have been absorb, but due to the crit some came through.

It works more like this:

100 damage comes in from a class with double crit damage
Shield is up, absorbing 75 damage.

Now we have 25 damage (75 absorbed)
Crit mult now applies to the 25 damage, so the final result is 50 damage (75 absorbed)

[Tesq]

Working pre crits and since a lot of classes have tactics which increase crit dmg the absorbs are best to counter burst before those multiicators enter in action, for exemple if the dmg became zero any bonus from crits is lost and unless aza correct me it should also stack with toughness pre crits.

[Azarael]

Tesq is correct.

[Gangan]

Great thanks for clearing this up ^^

[Ramasee]

You can see all this in action plugging in various stats in the bubble calculator on this topic's spreadhseet:

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