[IB] Tankiest tank?

[Sulorie]

I am not sure Chinesehero is your average Swordmaster. He is far over 80 RR and known for his charges into destro lines all by himself, and dying dozens of times while doingf so. Which is awesome as it is but for a new SM perhaps a bit dissappointing

But he does one thing, where all other tanks fail, which usually only pve mobs do, people focus on him, whenever they see him. He actually draws the attention, while other tanks are ignored. ^^ As a pve player one could say, he holds the aggro.

[CountTalabecland]

I think KOTBS is easier to make a solid def tank out of. Idk whether Knight or IB is ultimately tankier in BiS, but auras, self armor buff, +10% block w/o using a tactic slot, and Runefang make a Knight in ruin gear a good deal tankier than a similarly geared IB imo and as I recall from my days leveling my IB main.
Don't get me wrong, my IB is super tanky but that is with conq, BL, Subjagator, Genesis, and rr65
Knight has grp wide heal buff and crit buff as well. IB is a good buff bot but it is harder to pull off.

[kmark101]

People have some kind of misconception about IB, probably because dwarfs are always tough folks everywhere.

Unfortunately not in this game, as IB is the squishiest tank of all tank classes (including all tanks both destro and order side) in the whole game. There is a very simple reason for that: IB doesn't have any kind of "oh ****" mitigation tool that every single other tank class has in their arsenal. Oathstone supposed to be this skill, unfortunately it doesn't work because it's only 4 charges are always used up by tiny hits from pets, etc..)

As an IB you just melt superfast under focus fire, your resists are medicore (except for corporeal), WE's just destroy you even with your best gear and so on (because you have no avoidance skill and a WE just ignores your armor... so you have only toughness left, but a knight has much higher toughness than you, much much higher due to their aura which have 0 pre-requisite, compared to your grudge-necessity AND lower values (huge design flaw btw)).

Previous poster is right, my noob knight in ruin gear is a much more survivable character with much higher toughness than my fully decked out rr70 IB in best gear, with Vigilance tactic almost unkillable for 10 secs even for armor piercing classes, has all capped resists with a single aura 24/7, and so on. And then the sweetest Runefang...)

In a warband environment, where only shield + challenge + hold the line matters it's even more noticable how fast an IB frontline collapses compared to knights (due to lack of Vigilance-like skill).

IB's look cool and they are ok to solo with if you take Grumble and Mutter self heal, the heal debuff tactic and 2h. Basically that's the only advantage of the class.

[Chinesehero]

People have some kind of misconception about IB, probably because dwarfs are always tough folks everywhere.

Unfortunately not in this game, as IB is the squishiest tank of all tank classes (including all tanks both destro and order side) in the whole game. There is a very simple reason for that: IB doesn't have any kind of "oh ****" mitigation tool that every single other tank class has in their arsenal. Oathstone supposed to be this skill, unfortunately it doesn't work because it's only 4 charges are always used up by tiny hits from pets, etc..)

As an IB you just melt superfast under focus fire, your resists are medicore (except for corporeal), WE's just destroy you even with your best gear and so on (because you have no avoidance skill and a WE just ignores your armor... so you have only toughness left, but a knight has much higher toughness than you, much much higher due to their aura which have 0 pre-requisite, compared to your grudge-necessity AND lower values (huge design flaw btw)).

Previous poster is right, my noob knight in ruin gear is a much more survivable character with much higher toughness than my fully decked out rr70 IB in best gear, with Vigilance tactic almost unkillable for 10 secs even for armor piercing classes, has all capped resists with a single aura 24/7, and so on. And then the sweetest Runefang...)

In a warband environment, where only shield + challenge + hold the line matters it's even more noticable how fast an IB frontline collapses compared to knights (due to lack of Vigilance-like skill).

IB's look cool and they are ok to solo with if you take Grumble and Mutter self heal, the heal debuff tactic and 2h. Basically that's the only advantage of the class.

IB is tough since it can add 660 armor from tatic while other tanks cant. With 660 more armor how can not tough???

[Skullgrin]

From my (biased) 1v1 perspective, Ironbreakers are the most difficult to deal with. Swordmasters I just have to out-DPS and time my heals and interrupts right, Knights take time to kill but their defenses can be slowly picked apart with sever blessing and the M1 armor reduction. You can pick Ironbreakers apart the same way, but they always seem to start healing back up when their health hits about 33% and then you're right back you where you started, and the fight just goes on and on. Longest solo fight I've ever had (think it was about 15-20 minutes) was with an Ironbreaker...

[Tesq]

People have some kind of misconception about IB, probably because dwarfs are always tough folks everywhere.

Unfortunately not in this game, as IB is the squishiest tank of all tank classes (including all tanks both destro and order side) in the whole game. There is a very simple reason for that: IB doesn't have any kind of "oh ****" mitigation tool that every single other tank class has in their arsenal. Oathstone supposed to be this skill, unfortunately it doesn't work because it's only 4 charges are always used up by tiny hits from pets, etc..)

As an IB you just melt superfast under focus fire, your resists are medicore (except for corporeal), WE's just destroy you even with your best gear and so on (because you have no avoidance skill and a WE just ignores your armor... so you have only toughness left, but a knight has much higher toughness than you, much much higher due to their aura which have 0 pre-requisite, compared to your grudge-necessity AND lower values (huge design flaw btw)).

Previous poster is right, my noob knight in ruin gear is a much more survivable character with much higher toughness than my fully decked out rr70 IB in best gear, with Vigilance tactic almost unkillable for 10 secs even for armor piercing classes, has all capped resists with a single aura 24/7, and so on. And then the sweetest Runefang...)

In a warband environment, where only shield + challenge + hold the line matters it's even more noticable how fast an IB frontline collapses compared to knights (due to lack of Vigilance-like skill).

IB's look cool and they are ok to solo with if you take Grumble and Mutter self heal, the heal debuff tactic and 2h. Basically that's the only advantage of the class.

you have a default passive 15% dmg reduction tactic on block...., which stack with any magical defense you may have, aka stack spiritual and ele talisman, and you have a 10% disrupt buff in form of willpower buff....man....use better your cards... no tanks atm in game can have any prob with magic classes if he 's willing to use the propper tool against it.

these are the values you can expect from a rr 60 IB with no block tactic just dmg reduction

28% block (4/4 renown)
60% parry (4/4 renown)
60%dodge(3/4 renown +htl)
70%disrupt (3/4 renown + htl+willp buff)

15% dmg reduction passive (all dmg )

900-1000 spi/ele (am/runy/kobs buff)--->aka 55% dmg mitigation (with dmg reduction tactic)

heal 150 /on disrupt (tactic )

for rvr you are a beast of defense xD

[Mystry]

Not sure where people are getting the idea that SM is somehow tankier than IB, unless I'm missing something. Every IB I've ever seen has been more survivable than my SM, even when going full defense. SM has no appreciable self heal.

[kmark101]

you have a default passive 15% dmg reduction tactic on block...., which stack with any magical defense you may have, aka stack spiritual and ele talisman, and you have a 10% disrupt buff in form of willpower buff....man....use better your cards... no tanks atm in game can have any prob with magic classes if he 's willing to use the propper tool against it.

these are the values you can expect from a rr 60 IB with no block tactic just dmg reduction

28% block (4/4 renown)
60% parry (4/4 renown)
60%dodge(3/4 renown +htl)
70%disrupt (3/4 renown + htl+willp buff)

15% dmg reduction passive (all dmg )

900-1000 spi/ele (am/runy/kobs buff)--->aka 55% dmg mitigation (with dmg reduction tactic)

heal 150 /on disrupt (tactic )

for rvr you are a beast of defense xD

Everything you listed is the same for all tanks in the game, so IB is not "tankier" than any other tank because of these (except for the tiny disrupt increase due to willpower buff and the 15% damage reduction after block tactic, but other tanks has an equivalent of this more or less).
Since they changed disrupts back to the old way a couple weeks ago your disrupt is nothing special, also Avalanche tactic is not really good anymore (150/heal in a warband is negligible, because it's not proccing that often now due to the change of dot disrupts (it was great before, NOT ANYMORE)).

The 15% damage reduction tactic after you block lasts for a few seconds... Vigilance from Kotbs lasts for 10 seconds, mitigates 50% damage (3x+ of IB's tactic..) and can be timed/applied on demand, so you can actually survive bursts in pvp.

[kmark101]

From my (biased) 1v1 perspective, Ironbreakers are the most difficult to deal with. Swordmasters I just have to out-DPS and time my heals and interrupts right, Knights take time to kill but their defenses can be slowly picked apart with sever blessing and the M1 armor reduction. You can pick Ironbreakers apart the same way, but they always seem to start healing back up when their health hits about 33% and then you're right back you where you started, and the fight just goes on and on. Longest solo fight I've ever had (think it was about 15-20 minutes) was with an Ironbreaker...

IB's are easy food for Chosens. Their self heal can be debuffed to 250/tic, while it is eating their grudge (so their damage will be lower for the period of the self heal ticks). On the other hand, IB's can't scratch a high armor Chosen due to all their skills are physical damage type and you just shrug them off. Your Dreadful Agony aura, Touch of Palsy, etc.. alone can kill an IB in a long enough fight because it's spirit damage and IB has only corporeal resistance.

[Tesq]

you have a default passive 15% dmg reduction tactic on block...., which stack with any magical defense you may have, aka stack spiritual and ele talisman, and you have a 10% disrupt buff in form of willpower buff....man....use better your cards... no tanks atm in game can have any prob with magic classes if he 's willing to use the propper tool against it.

these are the values you can expect from a rr 60 IB with no block tactic just dmg reduction

28% block (4/4 renown)
60% parry (4/4 renown)
60%dodge(3/4 renown +htl)
70%disrupt (3/4 renown + htl+willp buff)

15% dmg reduction passive (all dmg )

900-1000 spi/ele (am/runy/kobs buff)--->aka 55% dmg mitigation (with dmg reduction tactic)

heal 150 /on disrupt (tactic )

for rvr you are a beast of defense xD

Everything you listed is the same for all tanks in the game, so IB is not "tankier" than any other tank because of these (except for the tiny disrupt increase due to willpower buff and the 15% damage reduction after block tactic, but other tanks has an equivalent of this more or less).
Since they changed disrupts back to the old way a couple weeks ago your disrupt is nothing special, also Avalanche tactic is not really good anymore (150/heal in a warband is negligible, because it's not proccing that often now due to the change of dot disrupts (it was great before, NOT ANYMORE)).

The 15% damage reduction tactic after you block lasts for a few seconds... Vigilance from Kotbs lasts for 10 seconds, mitigates 50% damage (3x+ of IB's tactic..) and can be timed/applied on demand, so you can actually survive bursts in pvp.

then my chosen is easy food too lol .....in whichb world you live in? a 15% , 100% update time dmg reduction is great (vigilance have a 30 sec CD), a 10% disrupt stacking buff is great, the disrupt tactic in rvr is great , was great pre patch , was great post patch is great now after the patch revert xD especially when your hold the line give you 70%/80% disrupt xD.... not only you do not take dmg, you also heal whiel doing so xD, the tactic have no ICD it designed to work that way for both chosen and IB and is great, i understand destru can be more melee heavy but magical casters are there and your dmg reduction work vs anyone. you have to spend 4 sec GCD to buff your self /oathfriend , then rest is in hold the line and ap regen.....man...