Server Patch notes 15/12/2018

[Mythrendir]

Greetings,

Every patch is tremendously appreciated but I must insist on the following: WL fans have been patient but any ETA on when will the WL be getting that damage and survivability buff to balance the class, increasing its rvr solo/group/wb utility and bring it up to par with other mdps classes?

It would be a wonderful xmas gift! Thanks

The white lion being "weak" is a fallacy, same as claims of it being overpowered, aside from pet peculiarities and a CD on pounce it's the same class it was before I rebuilt guardian tree. It's a highly maneuverable, high burst class, don't expect to see it changed into a marauder or for its core to change and note that we don't take requests and there's nothing on WLs in these patch notes so there is no discussion to be had here.

Remain on topic thanks.

Thanks for reply, I shall remain on topic but quickly and with all due respect doing 300-500 damage at 1000str and 550ws while a sorc crits you for 2-3k per pop is hardly indicative of high burst damage or of survivability. I must thank you for this answer though because many of us ex-WLs player can now make new plans or decisions.

Thank you!

[Sulorie]

Greetings,

Every patch is tremendously appreciated but I must insist on the following: WL fans have been patient but any ETA on when will the WL be getting that damage and survivability buff to balance the class, increasing its rvr solo/group/wb utility and bring it up to par with other mdps classes?

It would be a wonderful xmas gift! Thanks

The white lion being "weak" is a fallacy, same as claims of it being overpowered, aside from pet peculiarities and a CD on pounce it's the same class it was before I rebuilt guardian tree. It's a highly maneuverable, high burst class, don't expect to see it changed into a marauder or for its core to change and note that we don't take requests and there's nothing on WLs in these patch notes so there is no discussion to be had here.

Remain on topic thanks.

Thanks for reply, I shall remain on topic but quickly and with all due respect doing 300-500 damage at 1000str and 550ws while a sorc crits you for 2-3k per pop is hardly indicative of high burst damage or of survivability. I must thank you for this answer though because many of us ex-WLs player can now make new plans or decisions.

Thank you!

Get more crit rate and don't hit ppl with guard unless you assist with other DD. You know, something all other DD classes, including sorc, have to do. The times sorc burst someone is, when there is no guard, detaunt or healing available.

[Niky]

Guilty Soul - This tactic has had its heal component changed to a blessing which will increase the damage of Path of Wrath abilities by 5% stackable up to 4 times. Dot component remains as it was.

You forgot about DDoks or Piter play only WP?

20% Damage, with dot, hot and healing, why not xD

[Niky]

Guilty Soul - This tactic has had its heal component changed to a blessing which will increase the damage of Path of Wrath abilities by 5% stackable up to 4 times. Dot component remains as it was.

You forgot about DDoks or Piter play only WP?

20% Damage, why not xD

Nope, but happy to trade you Curse of Khaine for it in order for you to have parity.

Done! Replace it with new Guilty Soul xD.

[Snoxx]

20% Damage, with dot, hot and healing, why not xD

Guilty Soul has no more healing component, it got replaced by the damage buff.

[Niky]

Ok. Without healing. But ddoks want Guilty Soul too. Why 20? Not 5 or 50?

[peterthepan3]

Ok. Without healing. But ddoks want Guilty Soul too. Why 20? Not 5 or 50?

It's an attempt to reduce the DPS difference between the two - given that the DPS DOK has access to dual wield, more proc potential, Devour Essence, a HD off the GCD. He now has access to Pillage Essence in standard DPS spec. It might not work, and can just be removed if it's crap. Remember: we are going for a purist approach to the specs, which means making both Wrath and Torture viable for DPS.

I play both classes, and the DPS DOK is actually a viable class (has been for a while). Why would we buff the damage potential further when the class already dishes out incredible sustained/is viable for groups? DPS DOKs like Belladonna, Convert and Hayz regularly showcase the potential of the class.

RE the figure of 20%: during .ab ex testing several years ago, 40% was experimented with - and it felt too much. DPS DOK had 20%. That is why we tried 20% here.

[Niky]

Piter, If u want make balance u need to use mathematics, not literature.

RE the figure of 20%: during .ab ex testing several years ago, 40% was experimented with - and it felt too much. DPS DOK had 20%. That is why we tried 20% here.

This is the best logic in the world.

Ok. Now DDok and WP are equal in damage? But where is sigmar shield for ddoks? Where is dot and hot from any damage?

[peterthepan3]

Piter, If u want make balance u need to use mathematics, not literature.

RE the figure of 20%: during .ab ex testing several years ago, 40% was experimented with - and it felt too much. DPS DOK had 20%. That is why we tried 20% here.

This is the best logic in the world.

Ok. Now DDok and WP are equal in damage? But where is sigmar shield for ddoks? Where is dot and hot from any damage?

Whether or not the WP and DDok are 'equal in damage' remains to be seen (patch has been out a few days, I haven't seen too many people testing the spec), but given the nature of the Guilty Soul proc (i.e. that it can be shattered/you must first crit), it's probably not the case at all.

If Wrath is viable, then Sigmar's Shield (which is very powerful) can definitely be looked at if there are genuine concerns of unholy hybrid, but one must also take into account that the Wrath WP doesn't have Devour Essence, nor does he have Pillage Essence (a boon to sustained), nor does he have the most powerful HD in the game.

It's experimental; if it doesn't work then it simply gets removed. If it does work, then we can tackle the unholy hybrid issue (if it has merit).

[ajnin420]

I've been running the new GS and its an interesting change. I like the attempt to fill the dmg gap between the 2 classes. You can really keep those 4 stacks up for an entire fight and its potent AF. But I do also miss the healing GS once provided. I feel much more vulnerable when out numbered or pushing as one of the few order melee. GS was a nice way to stay alive under focus in these kinds of situations.

That said im not 100% sure where I stand atm. I do really like having more dmg but feel as though the old tactic was amazing to begin with.

If there is another way around making dps wp on par with dps dok that doesnt involve a rework of GS that would be great! (Imho)

It is very possible that the old GS and a new dmg buff like what has been implemented may be too strong if both were available!

I would also like to note that since the change to GS im feeling rather forced to use Aura of Devotion. This is not a bad thing persay. Devo is a great aura and should always be part of a good dps wps toolkit. Before the change I would use it when soloing or when we were short a healer. Now, I feel im using it to make up for the loss of GS heals, sadly putting Aura of Righteouness low on the totem pole.