Why 2h tanks are not considered "true" tanks?

[wachlarz]

I believe his point is that it is silly to draw the line between what is a "tank" and what is not based on HTL or 2h/1h. I see plenty people playing with a 2h getting blown up constantly and in general being useless. However, I also see plenty of snb turtle tanks running straight to the enemy backlines and never switch guard (which does not even matter since said turtle never follows the guarded player nor assisting), basically being completely useless as they put zero pressure on the backline when specced like a turtle.

Bottom line is that "tank" is a function that cannot be confined to a specific specc as regardless of specc you may not perform the function of tank.

I think we talk about premade/good player not bad

Then I think this excludes you from the discussion

So U pro Player dont use rr for dis/party ? Then i will dont more argue with U. U dont know mechanik or just a troll.

[shaggyboomboom]

That double cleanse was a bug from the tactic. It got fixed. And neither shaman nor the archmage could or can cleanse sorc/bw. This again proves how little game knowledge you have.

[Nekkma]

I think we talk about premade/good player not bad

Regardless of skill my point still stand. Yes, good players can be tanks regardless of using snb or 2h and, yes again, bad players do not act as tanks regardless of using snb or 2h. Conclusion? Being a tank is a function (i.e. it depends on how you play), not the possibility to use HTL, nor snb.

If two 6 mans, who run only mdps, face eachother, do you really think that who is a tank should be determined by if you can use HTL or not? An ability completely useless in that situation?

Running a 2h makes it more difficult to perform the function expected by a tank in a keep siege (where HTL and tankiness is specifically important). Running a full deftard snb specc is often less usefull in smaller fights. Shockingly, different specs (even among tanks!) have different strengths and weaknesses but that does not make one spec "not a tank" in all situations.

[Luth]

Tanks are an archetype and there are archetype specific abilities, e.g. guard and HTL. Those abilities define the role of an archetype to a large degree. The archetype balancing is different to class balancing; it's a fundamental layer that is the concrete on which the classes have been built.
Messing around with single archetype abilities has a way larger impact on the whole game than just changing single class abilities.
That this concept wasn't understood by everyone, show the plenty comments of certain community, as well as staff members.
e.g.

Spoiler:

There was still no reasoning given to justify the change beyond "2H weapon on a tank = DPS", which was already debunked as nonsense.

[Budosek]

That double cleanse was a bug from the tactic. It got fixed. And neither shaman nor the archmage could or can cleanse sorc/bw. This again proves how little game knowledge you have.

He said 2 healers not Shaman/Archmage and WP/DoK can cleanse sorc/bw.

[wargrimnir]

Tanks are an archetype and there are archetype specific abilities, e.g. guard and HTL. Those abilities define the role of an archetype to a large degree. The archetype balancing is different to class balancing; it's a fundamental layer that is the concrete on which the classes have been built.
Messing around with single archetype abilities has a way larger impact on the whole game than just changing single class abilities.
That this concept wasn't understood by everyone, show the plenty comments of certain community, as well as staff members.
e.g.

Spoiler:

There was still no reasoning given to justify the change beyond "2H weapon on a tank = DPS", which was already debunked as nonsense.

That was my comment in the screenshot, and I was being sarcastic because people were being assholes about it. We're quite well aware it's not actually a small change.

[shaggyboomboom]

That double cleanse was a bug from the tactic. It got fixed. And neither shaman nor the archmage could or can cleanse sorc/bw. This again proves how little game knowledge you have.

He said 2 healers not Shaman/Archmage and WP/DoK can cleanse sorc/bw.

Only WP can aoe cleanse sorc so that makes it 1 cleanse every 5 secs (unless you got 2 wps in group, but this has been so even on live)
And so what? Why point out cleanses and sorcs when we are talking about **** tanks?

[wachlarz]

That double cleanse was a bug from the tactic. It got fixed. And neither shaman nor the archmage could or can cleanse sorc/bw. This again proves how little game knowledge you have.

He said 2 healers not Shaman/Archmage and WP/DoK can cleanse sorc/bw.

Only WP can aoe cleanse sorc so that makes it 1 cleanse every 5 secs (unless you got 2 wps in group, but this has been so even on live)
And so what? Why point out cleanses and sorcs when we are talking about **** tanks?

Because tank play affect other classes. And some1 told that htl is bulshiet. If cleans is my bad but still 15% more dis/dodge is a lot.

[peterthepan3]

He said 2 healers not Shaman/Archmage and WP/DoK can cleanse sorc/bw.

Only WP can aoe cleanse sorc so that makes it 1 cleanse every 5 secs (unless you got 2 wps in group, but this has been so even on live)
And so what? Why point out cleanses and sorcs when we are talking about **** tanks?

Because tank play affect other classes. And some1 told that htl is bulshiet. If cleans is my bad but still 15% more dis/dodge is a lot.

I think we can all agree that 15% dis/dodge (stackable up to 45%, Shield only) is not bullshit.

[shaggyboomboom]

He said 2 healers not Shaman/Archmage and WP/DoK can cleanse sorc/bw.

Only WP can aoe cleanse sorc so that makes it 1 cleanse every 5 secs (unless you got 2 wps in group, but this has been so even on live)
And so what? Why point out cleanses and sorcs when we are talking about **** tanks?

Because tank play affect other classes. And some1 told that htl is bulshiet. If cleans is my bad but still 15% more dis/dodge is a lot.

So if tanks lost challenge, taunt, guard, root and other tank archetype abilities, but not HTL would you still consider them tanks?