Marauder morale drain vs WH morale drain

[Parallell86]

You need a minimum of 4 Maras for Morale drain tactic to actually do something, and if order use formations properly the tactic actually doesn't do much at all coz tanks parry and block will soak 70% of the hits.
It's a tactic thats good when you stack the **** out of it. You think any warband would use 4 WH for morale drains and lose 4 spots of actually good AoE dps? No way.
Not even on WL. Id rather take 1 kotbs, morale boost it doing a tank formation with AM pumps and have the kotbs drain the enemy tanks and then push in with SL's and BW's.

How are you supposed to pump that knight up to M4 before impact with Destro? I'd like to see that. "Sorry, can we have a moment?"

[Parallell86]

Marauder: Crushing Blows - "While you are using the Gift of Monstrosity, ALL of your hits have a 25% chance to remove 225 points of morale from the enemy." Bottom-line it goes with any ability and no restrictions.

Witch Hunter: Vitriolic Judgement - "Anytime you hit an enemy in the back, there is a 25% chance they will lose 225 points of morale." Single target class, not many options unless you specc almost full Confession for Dragon Gun (10 seconds cooldown) which by the way require 5 Accusations to reach the maxmimum amount of 48.3 feet range, and then almost full Judgement to get the required tactic. Other than that it requires you to hit your enemy IN THE BACK.

I suggest tweaking the marauder morale drain to something similiar to maybe even out the odds as they already have a 50% armor pen tactic that also goes with every ability, which they by the way run in the same AOE specc, and it's a Core tactic.

1. restriction > U must be in monstro
2. 50% armor pen ONLY FOR MUTATED SKILLS not all skils

1. And I dont think that counts as a restriction since the tactic comes from the Monstrosity skill tree.
2. Very few of your damage abilities (those that counts in the matter) are none-mutated. It works for all your core abilities related to each tree...not to mention any ability you specc from any tree.

[roadkillrobin]

You need a minimum of 4 Maras for Morale drain tactic to actually do something, and if order use formations properly the tactic actually doesn't do much at all coz tanks parry and block will soak 70% of the hits.
It's a tactic thats good when you stack the **** out of it. You think any warband would use 4 WH for morale drains and lose 4 spots of actually good AoE dps? No way.
Not even on WL. Id rather take 1 kotbs, morale boost it doing a tank formation with AM pumps and have the kotbs drain the enemy tanks and then push in with SL's and BW's.

How are you supposed to pump that knight up to M4 before impact with Destro? I'd like to see that. "Sorry, can we have a moment?"

Figure it out.
We used to do it in Phallanx when we swapped to Order. I played a kotbs and had M4 up on Haos demand.
I'll give you a hint, it's all about formations and team members following instructions.

[Tesq]

You need a minimum of 4 Maras for Morale drain tactic to actually do something, and if order use formations properly the tactic actually doesn't do much at all coz tanks parry and block will soak 70% of the hits.
It's a tactic thats good when you stack the **** out of it. You think any warband would use 4 WH for morale drains and lose 4 spots of actually good AoE dps? No way.
Not even on WL. Id rather take 1 kotbs, morale boost it doing a tank formation with AM pumps and have the kotbs drain the enemy tanks and then push in with SL's and BW's.

How are you supposed to pump that knight up to M4 before impact with Destro? I'd like to see that. "Sorry, can we have a moment?"

Have some moments to look at am tactics instead...

[normanis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... U9kessF6Ag
who said mara have poor damage? 300-500 atleast i saw in video. dont mention not ather class have self heal only using 1 hand no special tactics or downfall like slayer/choppa nee to be berseker to really gain 220 hp every 4 sec + mara have in mosntro hand descrese +10 armor pentration. choppa can only dream about wounds debuff or be so tough as mara.
wh morale drain is joke , and kobs need build morale 4 byt he will lose best vigilance. and not all kobs even use morale drain morale. btw kobs even can have morale drain morale byt mara will drain it. ( its mean kobs never will use it)
mara is best mdps in all game. ( he even look better than white lion who have mostly copy paste armor in all tiers)

[wachlarz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... U9kessF6Ag
who said mara have poor damage? 300-500 atleast i saw in video. dont mention not ather class have self heal only using 1 hand no special tactics or downfall like slayer/choppa nee to be berseker to really gain 220 hp every 4 sec + mara have in mosntro hand descrese +10 armor pentration. choppa can only dream about wounds debuff or be so tough as mara.
wh morale drain is joke , and kobs need build morale 4 byt he will lose best vigilance. and not all kobs even use morale drain morale. btw kobs even can have morale drain morale byt mara will drain it. ( its mean kobs never will use it)
mara is best mdps in all game. ( he even look better than white lion who have mostly copy paste armor in all tiers)

This movie is from 2017 now we have 2019 . I think this game bit change in this short period of time

[MedV]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... U9kessF6Ag
who said mara have poor damage? 300-500 atleast i saw in video. dont mention not ather class have self heal only using 1 hand no special tactics or downfall like slayer/choppa nee to be berseker to really gain 220 hp every 4 sec + mara have in mosntro hand descrese +10 armor pentration. choppa can only dream about wounds debuff or be so tough as mara.
wh morale drain is joke , and kobs need build morale 4 byt he will lose best vigilance. and not all kobs even use morale drain morale. btw kobs even can have morale drain morale byt mara will drain it. ( its mean kobs never will use it)
mara is best mdps in all game. ( he even look better than white lion who have mostly copy paste armor in all tiers)

This movie is from 2017 now we have 2019 . I think this game bit change in this short period of time

2 years old.... and prob doesnt realize that not all of the POV was a mara. The mara was the one hitting 100-300 on ppl. The Sorc was the one critting 2k aoe. If anything this vid proves how fluff dmg the mara is. And the self heal is rlly not that big. Not a single wb will replace 4 sorcs for 4 maras. So the morale drain is really not going to be that effective.

[roadkillrobin]

Like I said you need 4+ Maras to be able to drain the tanks. The tanks will block and parry moast of these attacks. Aslong as you boost with 1 AM you gona have a net morale gain to be able to use M4. If you're up against more then 6 MA that slot the tactic, then sure you probobly never gonna be able to keep M4 up but you're not really gonna need it coz their dps output gonna be just Morales and some fluff Marauder dps.

[normanis]

yes i forgot mara whant also not just be tanky in monstrohand but also hit like truck. 2k with wrecking ball aoe .
sorc that why is maden to deal larger amount of dps byt sacrefice survivability. ( in theory)
also wh after devs removed their aoe is not welcome in forts. who need single target spamer if all figts is aoe???? 6 bw is always better than 6 wh. same is for destro 6 sorc is better than 6 witches. mara is special and always welcome( he sacreface dps for survive in mostro tree. u cant have all coockies in 1 build) in wb because better 6 maras or chopas than 6 witches.
devs should make razor atleast 3 target hitter not 2. and trial by pain should stay as aoe moraledrainer. ( atleast 1wh will have space in fort team) . its not fair if some clases are welcome and some is not welcome ( i have been in such situations)

[roadkillrobin]

Even if Razor Strike and Trial by Pain would hit 9 targets and Morale Drain would proc from all directions you still would need 4+ WH to be able to proc the drain at such a rate that it made a difference. And no sane person would replace SL's and BW's for 4 WH's. The dps loss would just be to much.