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Re: working as intended

Post#11 » Tue May 07, 2019 2:08 am

This looks like you are attacking a detaunted high renown rank target with physical damage and without an armor debuff. Probably toughness/armor talisman stacked + armor pot as well as toughness buff'd so the cloth armor might be a bit deceiving if each piece is filled with 180 armor or 24 toughness talismans. 3100 armor or 71% physical reduction is achievable with top end armor talismans and pots.

Also have no idea what debuffs you have. Are you challenged or stat debuffed?

45-70% physical defense without armor debuff -> High toughness 600+ -> Detaunt or goblin auto detaunt 50% damage reduction -> unknown debuffs on you -> Not really uncommon for ranged damage to find killing shamans nearly impossible, same results probably if you were a BW with +40% disrupt rate.
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Re: working as intended

Post#12 » Tue May 07, 2019 6:09 am

No problem reaching 700+ toughness on shammie with toughness hot without sacrificing too much. Detaunt and laugh at most physical dps. Especially skirm SWs (needs to be said :))
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Re: working as intended

Post#13 » Tue May 07, 2019 7:24 am

Does the target have "Wats that behind you" up? -25% dmg
Did target detaunt you / double detaunt? -50% dmg, or more.
Did target have WWS up?
Did target have tank M3 up?
Were you under effect of Challenge or tank M2 or maybe both stacking?
Did target have zealot armor buff + armor potion?
Does target run maximum toughness build to mitigate most of your offensive dmg bonus?

Considering a Shaman can have both double detaunt up, get sorc M2 defence, which possibly stacks with tank M4 defence, and attacker can be debuffed by both Challenge/m2 bellows stacking, you might have been doing +1k attacks on other targets before previously and now show us a situation where somehow your dmg is lower, despite not full situation of buffs/debuffs on respective parties shown. :P

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Re: working as intended

Post#14 » Tue May 07, 2019 7:33 am

peterthepan3 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 12:03 am Looks like possible M4 Immaculate Defense. Were you near enemy WC? Do you have screenshot showing nameplates to see if Shaman had a Morale up?
That was like 12 hours ago at reikland factory on an enemy flag. I just got jumped by Ertu and that shammy, they killed me ofc. I dont believe they managed to go over morale 1. I dont expect to win a 2vs1 especially with 2 shammies but the damage output and the mitigation level with that much WS stacked (meaning I had to reduce other stats to get that much weaponskill) really shows that anyone can stack armor and make a fool of a SW... Working as intended, game balanced!!! Yey!!!!

The classes that devs and headGMs play all have skill-related and passive-positional armor penetration ofc so they see no problem there....
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Re: working as intended

Post#15 » Tue May 07, 2019 7:44 am

still more dps than a squig herder, and people still complain

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Re: working as intended

Post#16 » Tue May 07, 2019 7:48 am

Dammy095 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:44 am still more dps than a squig herder, and people still complain
And 30 times less survivalbility... ;)
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Re: working as intended

Post#17 » Tue May 07, 2019 7:51 am

Warfare80 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:48 am
Dammy095 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:44 am still more dps than a squig herder, and people still complain
And 30 times less survivalbility... ;)
not having to face WLs gives them even more survivability

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Re: working as intended

Post#18 » Tue May 07, 2019 7:54 am

jasonX wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:33 am
peterthepan3 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 12:03 am Looks like possible M4 Immaculate Defense. Were you near enemy WC? Do you have screenshot showing nameplates to see if Shaman had a Morale up?
That was like 12 hours ago at reikland factory on an enemy flag. I just got jumped by Ertu and that shammy, they killed me ofc. I dont believe they managed to go over morale 1. I dont expect to win a 2vs1 especially with 2 shammies but the damage output and the mitigation level with that much WS stacked (meaning I had to reduce other stats to get that much weaponskill) really shows that anyone can stack armor and make a fool of a SW... Working as intended, game balanced!!! Yey!!!!

The classes that devs and headGMs play all have skill-related and passive-positional armor penetration ofc so they see no problem there....
This is not a Armor Penetration-problem, WS reduce armor, not toughness. The only way to bypass toughness is to reduce it via debuff. I can bet my car that he is stacking toughness for the same reason
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Re: working as intended

Post#19 » Tue May 07, 2019 8:05 am

Ysaran wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:54 am
This is not a Armor Penetration-problem, WS reduce armor, not toughness. The only way to bypass toughness is to reduce it via debuff. I can bet my car that he is stacking toughness for the same reason
Well to be honest i do similar amounts of damage to almost any class that has armor stacked... Its so easy to stack armor and dodge on this server. Dodge just stacks from Initative (which all gear seems to have) and a very cheap RR training that also gives you disrupt... I m just so bored to take Screenshots about everything. Some scenarios before that I was tring to dps WEs, Maras and the mitigation levels were similar (even on some sorcs)... at the Reikland Factory current pug scenario where the buffs are rare and players usually play with their basic gear..... Add that to the immense dodge rate EVERYONE has.... GG

I dont even think its a matter of arguments anymore... The people in charge of balance really got a thing for SWs and perhaps SHs.... Maybe they got their @#$s kicked 2 many times from skilled SWs or SHs in the live server... I dont know what to say anymore.... 84RR SW with endgame gear hits like a fly....
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Re: working as intended

Post#20 » Tue May 07, 2019 8:20 am

Dammy095 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:51 am
Warfare80 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:48 am
Dammy095 wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 7:44 am still more dps than a squig herder, and people still complain
And 30 times less survivalbility... ;)
not having to face WLs gives them even more survivability
But have to face Marauder pulls choppas spamming git to da choppa pull and pouncing SHs which are literaly everywhere.
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