If WL singletarget dmg gets nerfed,do they get a stronger aoe then?

[Ototo]

Mate if you mean draining swipe is useless.Is the worst ability in this game .

Yes draining swipe is bad on its own but is a powerful combo when used with BG choking fury

No doesn’t worths at all.
And draining swipe is not a ap drain.

https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mm=&mt=&t=

[Ysaran]

Yes draining swipe is bad on its own but is a powerful combo when used with BG choking fury

No doesn’t worths at all.
And draining swipe is not a ap drain.

https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mm=&mt=&t=

"AP drain"="you steal AP from an enemy and you gain AP". Draining Swipe isn't an AP drain, it doesn't even steal AP, it just decrease AP regen, at least that's what say the builder

[larsulu]

No doesn’t worths at all.
And draining swipe is not a ap drain.

https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mm=&mt=&t=

"AP drain"="you steal AP from an enemy and you gain AP". Draining Swipe isn't an AP drain, it doesn't even steal AP, it just decrease AP regen, at least that's what say the builder

Correct, that’s why draining swipe is very bad.
10 cd and 5 sec duration LOL

[Ototo]

No doesn’t worths at all.
And draining swipe is not a ap drain.

https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mm=&mt=&t=

"AP drain"="you steal AP from an enemy and you gain AP". Draining Swipe isn't an AP drain, it doesn't even steal AP, it just decrease AP regen, at least that's what say the builder

Whr did I say that? I just linked the skill for reference. It doesn't need to be given to you for it to be drained from the enemy. You confuse "drain" with "steal": https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... lish/drain . Yes, it decrease AP regen by a whopping 50% for 10 seconds, so it does not simply "just do it", but effectively stop entirely the chances to use any skill in 1/2 of the GCDs of its duration if the enemy was low in AP to start with, in other words, if the enemy was at <20% of his AP pool when the effect was applied, he will only performs 5 skills in the next 10 seconds instead of 10 skills. Would I take the skill? No, cause surprisingly the Mara has way better things in the other trees, and the skill is not even decent compared to Monstro Morale drain, and Brut Increase of damage, but that's how crazy the Mara is, that the skill to decrease enemy damage potential by half is not worthy.

The actual AP drains is a tactic just above that skill: https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mt=5210&t=

Correct, that’s why draining swipe is very bad.
10 cd and 5 sec duration LOL

It's 10 seconds duration, 20 seconds cooldown. It's so bad that is a constant 25% AP regen reduction, without accounting that you can also slot an AP drain to further improve it to having an enemy as good as disarmed 2/3 of the time. Now seriously, has Mara better skills? Yeah. Is this a bad skill? Hell no.

[Ysaran]

Whr did I say that? I just linked the skill for reference. It doesn't need to be given to you for it to be drained from the enemy. You confuse "drain" with "steal": https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... lish/drain . Yes, it decrease AP regen by a whopping 50% for 10 seconds, so it does not simply "just do it", but effectively stop entirely the chances to use any skill in 1/2 of the GCDs of its duration if the enemy was low in AP to start with, in other words, if the enemy was at <20% of his AP pool when the effect was applied, he will only performs 5 skills in the next 10 seconds instead of 10 skills. Would I take the skill? No, cause surprisingly the Mara has way better things in the other trees, and the skill is not even decent compared to Monstro Morale drain, and Brut Increase of damage, but that's how crazy the Mara is, that the skill to decrease enemy damage potential by half is not worthy.

The actual AP drains is a tactic just above that skill: https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mt=5210&t=

you can easilly counter it with an AP pot, you dont really cut the damage by 50%

[larsulu]

https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mm=&mt=&t=

"AP drain"="you steal AP from an enemy and you gain AP". Draining Swipe isn't an AP drain, it doesn't even steal AP, it just decrease AP regen, at least that's what say the builder

Whr did I say that? I just linked the skill for reference. It doesn't need to be given to you for it to be drained from the enemy. You confuse "drain" with "steal": https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... lish/drain . Yes, it decrease AP regen by a whopping 50% for 10 seconds, so it does not simply "just do it", but effectively stop entirely the chances to use any skill in 1/2 of the GCDs of its duration if the enemy was low in AP to start with, in other words, if the enemy was at <20% of his AP pool when the effect was applied, he will only performs 5 skills in the next 10 seconds instead of 10 skills. Would I take the skill? No, cause surprisingly the Mara has way better things in the other trees, and the skill is not even decent compared to Monstro Morale drain, and Brut Increase of damage, but that's how crazy the Mara is, that the skill to decrease enemy damage potential by half is not worthy.

The actual AP drains is a tactic just above that skill: https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mt=5210&t=

Correct, that’s why draining swipe is very bad.
10 cd and 5 sec duration LOL

It's 10 seconds duration, 20 seconds cooldown. It's so bad that is a constant 25% AP regen reduction, without accounting that you can also slot an AP drain to further improve it to having an enemy as good as disarmed 2/3 of the time. Now seriously, has Mara better skills? Yeah. Is this a bad skill? Hell no.

Ototo listen to me please.
Draining swipe has 10 cd and 5 sec duration usable only on savagery stance.
With lots of ap regen bonus is one of the worst ability in this game.
No damage weak debuff.
Slot ap tactic ? Only usable in wb vs wb with savagery/monstro spec ( but since devs killed thunderous blow all aoe mara are brut/monstro )

[Ototo]

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Draining swipe has 10 cd and 5 sec duration usable only on savagery stance.
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Is the career builder information wrong?

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With lots of ap regen bonus is one of the worst ability in this game.
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I disagree and I think that organized groups of any size can make use of it, yet again, the Mara mid and right tree have so freaking crazy skills that, why even bother? You are comparing a great skill with an awesome skill. Mara is like that, and was in live too.

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No damage weak debuff.
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I don't understand this part, sorry.

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Slot ap tactic ? Only usable in wb vs wb with savagery/monstro spec ( but since devs killed thunderous blow all aoe mara are brut/monstro )

I think that this is 100% viable, but as said multiple times, suboptimal cause of the freaking crazy skills in mid and right trees: https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... ,5191,5196

And at rr70 this other, again crazily powerful but suboptimal for Mara, build: https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... ,5191,5196

[Zod24]

13PT BRUTALITY XD

[Ototo]

Whr did I say that? I just linked the skill for reference. It doesn't need to be given to you for it to be drained from the enemy. You confuse "drain" with "steal": https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... lish/drain . Yes, it decrease AP regen by a whopping 50% for 10 seconds, so it does not simply "just do it", but effectively stop entirely the chances to use any skill in 1/2 of the GCDs of its duration if the enemy was low in AP to start with, in other words, if the enemy was at <20% of his AP pool when the effect was applied, he will only performs 5 skills in the next 10 seconds instead of 10 skills. Would I take the skill? No, cause surprisingly the Mara has way better things in the other trees, and the skill is not even decent compared to Monstro Morale drain, and Brut Increase of damage, but that's how crazy the Mara is, that the skill to decrease enemy damage potential by half is not worthy.

The actual AP drains is a tactic just above that skill: https://officialrorbuilder.herokuapp.co ... mt=5210&t=

you can easilly counter it with an AP pot, you dont really cut the damage by 50%

On a 3 mins cooldown vs the 20 of the skill. Yet I see your point and I agree that most 1vs1 fights are over in 30-40 seconds, except the ones we should apply this are 24vs24, and sieges. Those tend to last a lot more than a couple minutes.

[Ototo]

13PT BRUTALITY XD

Which part of "suboptimal for the class", the sentence just before the builds, was hard to understand?