Should Choppas down the line get an ablility like rampage?

[Coryphaus]

It is know to many from back in the day that slayers are hands down better than choppas for a viariety of reasons including smaller character models even bezerk, but ESPECIALLY after mythic destroyed the viability of choppas AoE tree forcing many choppas to be forced to spec like this,(swaping in wot rules? and stuff if you have a dedicated tank+healer.)

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=chp ... :4676:4686:

So while choppas were only good for dealing single target damage slayers could still do nice damage in zergs thanks to a strong AoE tree and also they could also shred through tanks largely due to the rampage ability.

I think that giving them a similar ability would bring them in line with slayers, of course this is puerly hypothetical idea for if and when balance changes are made.

[Azarael]

The question should also consider the possibility that Rampage itself should be reworked, which is actually far less radical (client-wise) than giving the Choppa a new Exhaustive Blow.

[noisestorm]

Well Rampage is an ability that is especially counter-intuitive in so many ways.. Slayers and Choppas arent meant to be tankbreakers in any case, but simply this one skill makes it way easier than it should actually be. Imo it should be removed, but we should stick with it like it is for the moment.
I can clearly see why you want that on the Choppas as well, but it would overall be healthier to get it removed/reworked instead of mirrored for Destro..

[gandresch]

Hello,

please do not start and remove ablities. I think this is atm the wrong way. If you compare slayers and choppas. Maybe slayer have an little advantage but where does this lead?
Then you can just continue and compare the WLs and the Marrauder where the gap is much bigger.
For example just remove the healing proc from MARs than and make an tactic for it like the WLs have. I could just continue with more.

What i am saying maybe the slayer is a little better than a choppa, but therefore you have other mdps that have a huge advantage to the other mirror class...

[noisestorm]

Hello,

please do not start and remove ablities. I think this is atm the wrong way. If you compare slayers and choppas. Maybe slayer have an little advantage but where does this lead?
Then you can just continue and compare the WLs and the Marrauder where the gap is much bigger.
For example just remove the healing proc from MARs than and make an tactic for it like the WLs have. I could just continue with more.

What i am saying maybe the slayer is a little better than a choppa, but therefore you have other mdps that have a huge advantage to the other mirror class...

9/11 agree. Thats a topic one can talk hours about and most likely wont find a conclusion

[Coryphaus]

The question should also consider the possibility that Rampage itself should be reworked, which is actually far less radical (client-wise) than giving the Choppa a new Exhaustive Blow.

then perhaps just make rampage into a mirror of the ability keep on choppin? occupies same slot on choppa tree

to say mara > WL is not a really fair argument in my opinion b/c while i admit that mara is strong WL's were/are one of the least polished and optimized classes in WAR

[Tesq]

No, i think rampage should remain a slayer skill only, (yep btw better modify only value as aza said than start modify stuff) that said it's too op atm and need a rework.

let's see:
-free fury drop( no target and no high ap cost like aoe finisher/ slyer have 30 ap while choppa have 55ap btw..)
-100% ingore block/parry too op imo
- work for 10/20 seconds so you can use it and rebuild rage and do more damage then you suppose to do.
-slayer/choppa both have a 50% block/parry debuff for 10 seconds so this skill actualy make uselss that skill that was alredy suppose to be really good.

How make it less op ( some of my toughts that seems fair to me)

-better coldown imo not spammable as it's atm, it would be ok of at least 40 sec of effective coldown, that's mean duration-total colddown =40 sec of remaining coldown
-"max" 25% ignore, cos you can ingore 10% with 2h and at rr 80-100 like 8%-10% from strength. That's basicaly a 20% to add to rampage value for a total of 45%.( still really high)
-it should cost at least 20/30 ap
-no more duration based on rage spent, it should just be 10 seconds, or it's still a balance breaker ability when doing aoe.


btw ALL that is in game and it state "Ignore something" need a rework......
I fell like Choppa should get pounce (nerfed version of the wl one, maybe 20 sec coldown), because there is nothing better than jump into melee for a boyz. It should be on aoe path (replace that useless random aoe pull) for not be too much effective + his single target damage burst. Then alredy the name "git to da choppa" is alredy perfect for a his pounce version ^_^
About choppa aoe damage there is nothing bad!! aoe damage suppose to be a group-base where more ppl do aoe damage to be able to make the same single target damage they could do but on more ppl, you need coperation. Classes aoe must be less effective than single target damage, so if something wrong it's slayer aoe dps not viceversa.
Unless do more aoe damage then ST is normal for you.
Then alredy choppa have 25% crit more damage tactics that it apply on aoe damage too, so really choppa do not need any "buff" maybe some mirror but nothing too much strong.
Mara need to played without bug before judge if it's op or not, cos it had so much pro class bug that's the only reason why it was so op. You know PB tactic etc......So far the onyl dps that need a look at it slayer.

[Bozzax]

The best part of WAR is that there are no mirrors so no please

[Luth]

I'm totally against any rampage changes for obvious reasons.

But seriously, i think making the skill less op would be much better/easier (e.g. only 50% chance for abilities to be undefendable).

[Tesq]

The best part of WAR is that there are no mirrors so no please

There are no perfect mirror, but each classes have mirrior with at least other 2 classes in war >:)