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jhwieser
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Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#1 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:51 pm

I'm sure no one can be objective here (myself included) but I'm curious for the responses. How would you rank each classes overall viability in a WB vs a 6v6 SC?

edit: y'all really beat me down haha - anyone else want to post a list? That's the real reason I'm here
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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:37 pm

jhwieser wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:51 pm
I'm sure no one can be objective here (myself included) but I'm curious for the responses. How would you rank each classes overall viability in a WB vs a 6v6 SC? I'll post my list here.

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea what I'm talking about with my list below, but I think this is fun.
It’s better to break it down into archetype-specific ranking. Also, flame incoming cuz of wrong picks :cry:

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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#3 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:42 pm

Thank you for removing the list because i couldn't stop laughing

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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#4 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:43 pm

Zealot best class 😏
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wonshot
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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#5 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:34 pm

ill chip in with MY Order warband list, someone else can do the Order 6man list (double slayer, or WL + ASW?)

Order Waband tier list:

S-tier:
Brightwizard. The class IS the meta both what Order builds around and what destro comps build against. Group-offensive damage procs, morale damage proc on Explosive force, a selfpump + offensive M2 drop, ranged morale drain, funnelpower, crazy value from onslaught boost proc + classmechanic and 360degree aoe spells plus good singletarget assiting damage while also being able to aoe silence a healer-stack.

Knight. additional healing to the party from Focused mending, Aura value without paying any attention to stancedancing or twisting, Banish Darkness superpunt away an enemy wbleader or mainassist, M3 No Escape, Solarflare meme for funnels since its never used or reached in the open field, Vigilance this tank just doesnt die before his guard. This Class also has a spot as 2handed for applying aoe Woundsdebuff

Book Warriorpriest.
1sec groupheal, group hots, strong singletarget ap heal to get heals out of two different resourcepools, strong prayers, group wounds buffs, eazy resource return with 24aoe cap smites or onslaught setbonus, medium armor and aoe detaunt survivability, matyrs blessing raidhealing.


A-tier:

Slayer. The slayer doesnt have the option to go ranged and kite as the BW, or as easy of a time to get morales in a siege, and has very limmited aoe use of his obtained morales. in terms of damage he lands on 3100 aoe dps presure vs BW 3500aoe dps presure from my internal tests so he is very close to same output when he is not out of AP. Shattered Limbs 24aoe target, strong aoe melee dps on top of a DPS runepriest aoe armor debuff makes for crazy aoe presure. Rampage for 20sec to lineup a big Retribution burst is deadly. We did run 6slayer comp for a periode before everything turned right into everything being based around morales, and this bring Slayer one tier below BW.

DPS runepriest (not as a sorce of killingblows and main source of damage presure but as a debuffer!)
A debuffing runie with good coordination to his SM partner will be applying so much presure from aoe armor debuffing and 50%incoming healdebuffing on the Bomb-anchor location. This build is heavy cooldown based and does NOT work well without a solid SM for Whispering Winds. This class is close to a must have if you run CriticalMass roam warbands and have 2fullgroups. But the Runie alone will not do the killing, he will set them up for you.

Swordmaster. Some stat value from his Bladebuffs, not to the same level as the Auras from knight. Whispering winds being the main arguement from bringing a SM to a warband group as your selected tank. Group absorb to deny some crits/selfpumps on sorcs is solid. Whispering winds being locked behind the class mechanic is not always as easy as the BO tactic version but is the one of the only tools to deal with the MSH cooldown increaser destro run alot of lately, so the classes is a must have especially for a DPS runiepriest warbandparty.

Healing Runepriest
in a 2-2-2 group if you have a warriorpriest with prayer, and a runepriest with 25%healing on crit tactic, AND a knight with 15%healing tactic. That group is Solid AF in terms of healing. The Runepriest is supplying AP ritual for the party, willpower+ini buff to make everyone tankier, and buffing the warriorpriest to become a God in terms of quick muscle heals while he can move in between heals. The obtion to run flashheals while kiting and repossitioning, armor procs from his hots tics are some of the tools bringing the RP higher on the tier-list than an AM.

B-tier:
Pull engineer.
Highest value corp aoe debuff to set up your kill zone for the BWs. Aoe interrupt a healer stack, landmine on 24 aoe cap is overtuned + tactic to increase builduptime. pulling 6targets is cute for funnels and decent when a fight is already won and you are cleaning up. Conq 5piece bonus procs of abilities like Napalm so thats the easiest and highest value of aoe debuffing ini on order with just one GCD and fire'n'forget. Engineer also has the only none-morale aoe knockdown on Order but as the cost of going melee 1min cooldown and sacrificing his Turretstacks, making him a very stationary DPS role and more of a utility spot you will fill in party4 when your 3 solid core groups are functional and done.

AM healer. Immobile healer, with no good groupbuff compared to his competition from RP/WP. MoM snare + ini debuff pool (doesnt stack with engineer conq proc and lower value) Singletarget Morale pump and the only relyable warband pump available on Order. Instant ress tactic while stunning yourself, a class mechanic that is not suited for largescale all of this makes the healing AM fall behind in raw numbers and value but if you build your warband for kiting AM is a must.

C-tier:

AoE WL.
Pets die in largescale so running without pet is pretty much a given. The available morale pump for this class is tied to the pet, and the M2 drop is on pair with Mara. But this class brings lower aoe presure than a Slayer or BW, has a weaker class mechanic. Only utility you can bring is weapon procs, an M2 drop but no selfpump. WL is just not a warband viable min-max class atm.

DragonGun WH.
Oh boy did I have big plans for this as a cheese to destro running full morale vs perma drained on Order. But due to the 6v6 ballance that hit the Dragongun drain the Value is now way too little on a 10sec cooldown (5sec with WW) But the value of the sheet drain to go toe to toe with 3draining maras is just too little to allow this class a warband slot in min-max warbands atm. You loose too much in not slotting a BW for the damage a slayer for the utility in the case of inviting a Dragongun WH. unfortuneatly! :(

Ironebreaker.
A really solid duo tank or smallscale beast. But buffing one target with Oatfriend vs a knight buffing a full party, is just too much lost stats in too little return in buffing a Slayer, unfortuneatly!
IB only really bring aoe snares to a warband arsenal of tools. Unclenseable snare on the AoE punt is cute, but hardly worth a warband spot for that reason alone.

D-Tier:
SW.
As good as ASW is in smallscale this class just doesnt bring ANYTHING to largescale. buffing crit on a tactic, having stronger singletarget burst on lowtargets, ghetto aoe, ap regen buff. Everything is just super meh and outmatched by other classes.
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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#6 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:58 pm

S tier: slayer wl
A tier: dok squig chop wh we

BeautfulToad
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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#7 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:32 pm

Many players think you can basically build warbands with the following classes:
The basic meta is tanks dont die and guard mdps, dps spam aoe stuff, healers heal.
  • Knight of Blazing Sun, Slayer, Bright Wizard, Healer
  • Chosen, Choppa, Sorc, Healer
The tiers

A-list: All tanks and healers. There are two spots for each. Nearly always will be in demand. This is true in small-scale and large-scale pvp and pve. As I see it, all tanks and healers have use in every pvp engagement. Personally, I dont think there is a huge difference if you have SnB or 2handed tanks in pvp. Maybe two handed tanks offer slightly different things and so the actual class becomes important. For SnB, you are just making something hard to kill, and you might offer a buff here or there, but aoe output is more important if you ask me than a few extra stat points for a single 6 man group.

DPS A-list: AoE spec dps in warbands (BW, Magus, Engi, Sorc, maybe Squig, maybe Mara). Slayer and choppa are probably the most sought after since they are the primary mdps aoe specialists. Mara close behind. All classes can fit into a warband. It's just rdps and mdps (8 classes) compete for 2 spots, while the other classes (healers + tanks) compete for 4 spots.

Small-scale

For ganking, you tend to need high burst and mobility, so most AoE specs are not as useful. I dont think any tank or healer would be turned away for being the wrong class. Burst damage (high amounts of damage over a short time) and mobility is important in small scale (Squig Herder, White Lion, Swordmaster, Shadow Warrior). In 6v6, the so-called OP small group is/was basically an elf group at the core:

Swordmaster (with leap), Shadow Warrior, White Lion

The two classes that cause most controversy is White Lion and Shadow Warrior. Because leap/pounce is so useful in skirmishes, they excel at 6v6 but they can struggle a bit more in larger scale. So, as destro get more things with leap to get better 6v6 matches, neither SW and WL are getting alternative builds for warband.

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empmoz
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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#8 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:59 pm

wonshot wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:34 pm

Order Waband tier list:
Good list, the mirrors should apply to destro also (chosen best rvr tank, sorc best aoe dps, dok + zealot best healers)

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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#9 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:41 pm

empmoz wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:59 pm
wonshot wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:34 pm

Order Waband tier list:
Good list, the mirrors should apply to destro also (chosen best rvr tank, sorc best aoe dps, dok + zealot best healers)
Underrates Magus/Engi AoE, and other tanks in my view. Ironbreaker is the tankiest tank in the server right now, for example.

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Re: Class Tier List (WB vs SC)

Post#10 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:54 pm

Spoiler:
wonshot wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:34 pm
ill chip in with MY Order warband list, someone else can do the Order 6man list (double slayer, or WL + ASW?)

Order Waband tier list:

S-tier:
Brightwizard. The class IS the meta both what Order builds around and what destro comps build against. Group-offensive damage procs, morale damage proc on Explosive force, a selfpump + offensive M2 drop, ranged morale drain, funnelpower, crazy value from onslaught boost proc + classmechanic and 360degree aoe spells plus good singletarget assiting damage while also being able to aoe silence a healer-stack.

Knight. additional healing to the party from Focused mending, Aura value without paying any attention to stancedancing or twisting, Banish Darkness superpunt away an enemy wbleader or mainassist, M3 No Escape, Solarflare meme for funnels since its never used or reached in the open field, Vigilance this tank just doesnt die before his guard. This Class also has a spot as 2handed for applying aoe Woundsdebuff

Book Warriorpriest.
1sec groupheal, group hots, strong singletarget ap heal to get heals out of two different resourcepools, strong prayers, group wounds buffs, eazy resource return with 24aoe cap smites or onslaught setbonus, medium armor and aoe detaunt survivability, matyrs blessing raidhealing.


A-tier:

Slayer. The slayer doesnt have the option to go ranged and kite as the BW, or as easy of a time to get morales in a siege, and has very limmited aoe use of his obtained morales. in terms of damage he lands on 3100 aoe dps presure vs BW 3500aoe dps presure from my internal tests so he is very close to same output when he is not out of AP. Shattered Limbs 24aoe target, strong aoe melee dps on top of a DPS runepriest aoe armor debuff makes for crazy aoe presure. Rampage for 20sec to lineup a big Retribution burst is deadly. We did run 6slayer comp for a periode before everything turned right into everything being based around morales, and this bring Slayer one tier below BW.

DPS runepriest (not as a sorce of killingblows and main source of damage presure but as a debuffer!)
A debuffing runie with good coordination to his SM partner will be applying so much presure from aoe armor debuffing and 50%incoming healdebuffing on the Bomb-anchor location. This build is heavy cooldown based and does NOT work well without a solid SM for Whispering Winds. This class is close to a must have if you run CriticalMass roam warbands and have 2fullgroups. But the Runie alone will not do the killing, he will set them up for you.

Swordmaster. Some stat value from his Bladebuffs, not to the same level as the Auras from knight. Whispering winds being the main arguement from bringing a SM to a warband group as your selected tank. Group absorb to deny some crits/selfpumps on sorcs is solid. Whispering winds being locked behind the class mechanic is not always as easy as the BO tactic version but is the one of the only tools to deal with the MSH cooldown increaser destro run alot of lately, so the classes is a must have especially for a DPS runiepriest warbandparty.

Healing Runepriest
in a 2-2-2 group if you have a warriorpriest with prayer, and a runepriest with 25%healing on crit tactic, AND a knight with 15%healing tactic. That group is Solid AF in terms of healing. The Runepriest is supplying AP ritual for the party, willpower+ini buff to make everyone tankier, and buffing the warriorpriest to become a God in terms of quick muscle heals while he can move in between heals. The obtion to run flashheals while kiting and repossitioning, armor procs from his hots tics are some of the tools bringing the RP higher on the tier-list than an AM.

B-tier:
Pull engineer.
Highest value corp aoe debuff to set up your kill zone for the BWs. Aoe interrupt a healer stack, landmine on 24 aoe cap is overtuned + tactic to increase builduptime. pulling 6targets is cute for funnels and decent when a fight is already won and you are cleaning up. Conq 5piece bonus procs of abilities like Napalm so thats the easiest and highest value of aoe debuffing ini on order with just one GCD and fire'n'forget. Engineer also has the only none-morale aoe knockdown on Order but as the cost of going melee 1min cooldown and sacrificing his Turretstacks, making him a very stationary DPS role and more of a utility spot you will fill in party4 when your 3 solid core groups are functional and done.

AM healer. Immobile healer, with no good groupbuff compared to his competition from RP/WP. MoM snare + ini debuff pool (doesnt stack with engineer conq proc and lower value) Singletarget Morale pump and the only relyable warband pump available on Order. Instant ress tactic while stunning yourself, a class mechanic that is not suited for largescale all of this makes the healing AM fall behind in raw numbers and value but if you build your warband for kiting AM is a must.

C-tier:

AoE WL.
Pets die in largescale so running without pet is pretty much a given. The available morale pump for this class is tied to the pet, and the M2 drop is on pair with Mara. But this class brings lower aoe presure than a Slayer or BW, has a weaker class mechanic. Only utility you can bring is weapon procs, an M2 drop but no selfpump. WL is just not a warband viable min-max class atm.

DragonGun WH.
Oh boy did I have big plans for this as a cheese to destro running full morale vs perma drained on Order. But due to the 6v6 ballance that hit the Dragongun drain the Value is now way too little on a 10sec cooldown (5sec with WW) But the value of the sheet drain to go toe to toe with 3draining maras is just too little to allow this class a warband slot in min-max warbands atm. You loose too much in not slotting a BW for the damage a slayer for the utility in the case of inviting a Dragongun WH. unfortuneatly! :(

Ironebreaker.
A really solid duo tank or smallscale beast. But buffing one target with Oatfriend vs a knight buffing a full party, is just too much lost stats in too little return in buffing a Slayer, unfortuneatly!
IB only really bring aoe snares to a warband arsenal of tools. Unclenseable snare on the AoE punt is cute, but hardly worth a warband spot for that reason alone.

D-Tier:
SW.
As good as ASW is in smallscale this class just doesnt bring ANYTHING to largescale. buffing crit on a tactic, having stronger singletarget burst on lowtargets, ghetto aoe, ap regen buff. Everything is just super meh and outmatched by other classes.
Good stuff there Bombling, question about SWs and IBs, did u try a variation of WB bombing with AoE snares IBs and M3 SW + AM and range bombing with rain of fire/flashfire?
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