Why dps Zealot > RP?

[catking]

As we all know - mages dont have analog for weaons skills and that's why all 7 mages classes without RP have resist reduction. Zealots is best about this - they have tactic + first morale and this is high reduction valu. Rune Priest have same tactiic but witout resist reduction, just armor.


RoR team has done good work about balance (SH can play in melee, SW as well, WP and dps Dok now is have hard damage, shaman now is have good damage too), but RP still mage without "mages weapons skills" and it is just heal class or gimp..
Why not make this tactic is zealot mirror

[Aurandilaz]

because BW, the highest AOE damage dealer in game, bombs with Elemental dmg. Some corp as well in the mix. Giving aoe elemental debuff to RP would boost BW dmg by 20-40% , leaving other order warband classes even further behind. (assuming coming Slayer invader gear nerf, any non-BW pick for open RvR bomb warbands will be a dmg-loss, buffing Order by handing out an AoE Elemental debuff tactic would only worsen the inter realm balance between BW and other Order aoe dps classes)
Sorc AoE is about 70% spirit 30% Corp, so only few of their abilities get stronger due to having a dps Z around, dps Z himself gets some dmg increase for sure. Sorc doesnt have similar proc pressure creation as BW, meaning their AoE is generally less potent in raw numbers.
Sorc benefits for sure if there is still someone playing aoe dps Zealot around (most vanished after last months nerfs), but the benefit is lesser compared to the potential gain BW would have from a RP debuffing targets Elemental resis.

[Jazz405]

While true, that's the attractive part of dps Zealot/RP isn't the amount of raw numbers they put out, but the utility they provide. We've lost the aoe heal debuff, so now we're just worse Shadow Warriors.

[M0rw47h]

because BW, the highest AOE damage dealer in game, bombs with Elemental dmg. Some corp as well in the mix. Giving aoe elemental debuff to RP would boost BW dmg by 20-40% , leaving other order warband classes even further behind. (assuming coming Slayer invader gear nerf, any non-BW pick for open RvR bomb warbands will be a dmg-loss, buffing Order by handing out an AoE Elemental debuff tactic would only worsen the inter realm balance between BW and other Order aoe dps classes)
Sorc AoE is about 70% spirit 30% Corp, so only few of their abilities get stronger due to having a dps Z around, dps Z himself gets some dmg increase for sure. Sorc doesnt have similar proc pressure creation as BW, meaning their AoE is generally less potent in raw numbers.
Sorc benefits for sure if there is still someone playing aoe dps Zealot around (most vanished after last months nerfs), but the benefit is lesser compared to the potential gain BW would have from a RP debuffing targets Elemental resis.

Well, it could be something different than -resist debuff. For example, it could be small morale drain per tick.
This way dps RP would have enough utility to be picked in WB despise being inferior to BW after heal debuff nerf.

[catking]

because BW, the highest AOE damage dealer in game, bombs with Elemental dmg. Some corp as well in the mix. Giving aoe elemental debuff to RP would boost BW dmg by 20-40% , leaving other order warband classes even further behind. (assuming coming Slayer invader gear nerf, any non-BW pick for open RvR bomb warbands will be a dmg-loss, buffing Order by handing out an AoE Elemental debuff tactic would only worsen the inter realm balance between BW and other Order aoe dps classes)
Sorc AoE is about 70% spirit 30% Corp, so only few of their abilities get stronger due to having a dps Z around, dps Z himself gets some dmg increase for sure. Sorc doesnt have similar proc pressure creation as BW, meaning their AoE is generally less potent in raw numbers.
Sorc benefits for sure if there is still someone playing aoe dps Zealot around (most vanished after last months nerfs), but the benefit is lesser compared to the potential gain BW would have from a RP debuffing targets Elemental resis.

You right BW is have more Elemental aoe spels when sorc corp. but we talk about RP. Not necessary to give him aoe elemental reduction, but maybe one direct that would be good.

[cimator]

They are both trash atm, zealot just stinks less. I think BW aoe should be stronger than sorc because thats how the classes were originally. Used to be that BWs would do roughly %20ish more aoe dps, but now with aoe elemental debuff gone, but aoe spirit debuff(magus) + aoe corp debuff(BO, dps z) still being here, Sorc does just as good aoe damage, they even have the 1200 m2 dump. I think RP needs the aoe resist debuff reinstated, and still it would be kind of a weak choice, because you are still choosing between buffing your BWs vs simply adding another BW instead of a shitdps that is dps RP.

btw fyi: If you didnt know, dps rp tactic DID have elemental debuff aswell, and it was nerfed later, but they didnt add anything in its place, so now we have this clear unbalance between 2 tactics.

[Jastojan]

because BW, the highest AOE damage dealer in game, bombs with Elemental dmg. Some corp as well in the mix. Giving aoe elemental debuff to RP would boost BW dmg by 20-40% , leaving other order warband classes even further behind. (assuming coming Slayer invader gear nerf, any non-BW pick for open RvR bomb warbands will be a dmg-loss, buffing Order by handing out an AoE Elemental debuff tactic would only worsen the inter realm balance between BW and other Order aoe dps classes)
Sorc AoE is about 70% spirit 30% Corp, so only few of their abilities get stronger due to having a dps Z around, dps Z himself gets some dmg increase for sure. Sorc doesnt have similar proc pressure creation as BW, meaning their AoE is generally less potent in raw numbers.
Sorc benefits for sure if there is still someone playing aoe dps Zealot around (most vanished after last months nerfs), but the benefit is lesser compared to the potential gain BW would have from a RP debuffing targets Elemental resis.

You right BW is have more Elemental aoe spels when sorc corp. but we talk about RP. Not necessary to give him aoe elemental reduction, but maybe one direct that would be good.

This game is not about mirroring classes and on the other side this game is based on teamplay and group/squad. You just found something what zealot has and RP does not have. But there are more differences. For example RP deal ELEMENTAL dmg and zealot can deal corporeal dmg only. I dont understand, why zealot cant deal spiritual dmg (few spells atleast). It could make zealot more useful. I am not writting that RP is strong due to his elemental dmg, because it is not true I think. I dont see many DPS RP in game so it looks like DPS RP is on the same line with zealot (crap dmg). But I think that corp resist reduction is crap and it is not a gamechanger and it is not a big reason to play DPS zealot(instead of RP).It does not worth to invest yout time to play DPS zeal / and RP too. If you choose some class you expect it will be fun to play. And if it is not fun you will stop playing it. This is the case of dps zealot and this corp resist debuff is nothing special... yes you can bring som useful debuff for your groupmates but you are not playing a the game only to be a “debuffer" (like mara and zealot in this case), it will became extremely boring. So the question is : Will the hypothetical debuff bring you something like "yeah, this is a THING what can make my RP shine"? Will you then be happy enough to stay playing dps RP?
The state of DPS zeal and RP is very sad. I knew 3 realy good players who tried to give him a chance to shine, but it does not worth it. I tried it too.

[TreefAM]

Speaking of dps zealots, is there any sort of build I could follow if i was to make one?

[cimator]

Speaking of dps zealots, is there any sort of build I could follow if i was to make one?

atm its like this for aoe; https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,5740,5713
You need a Chop fasta or a BO Waaagh if you wanna spam ritual of agony and do decent aoe, 4th tactic is up to you. IF they ever revert the heal debuff changes, you take changers touch instead of Transference. You can ofc play around with it, like dropping the Ritual for AoE silence, but last time I remember, tactic wasnt working at all, so u gotta test it.
(Note that Transference also gives you %10 disrupt strikethrough, it was buffed a while back, still doesnt show up on tooltip tho)
This if you wannna do Single target; https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,5730,5703
You can try mirror of madness I suppose but I pref stagger