Why are Choppas and Slayers nerfed in Cities?

[lyncher12]

maybe you should focus less on pve and more on pvp in city

[Oglaf]

Especially stage 2. The game won't recognize you as being in combat for their class mechanic to work when attacking the NPC bosses.

The city rules were changed to prevent all NPCs from putting you in combat. This was done because people were absuing this to ensure they started fights with full morale. The downside is that Choppas and Slayers - who's mechanic requires them to be in combat - lose some damage against these NPCs.

Sorcs and bws can build their mechanic out of combat, they don't need to hit anything.

Which according to you is cheating or whatever? You just said Choppas/Slayers shouldn't be allowed to build theirs IN COMBAT than why should Sorcs/BWs - by your logic - be allowed to build it OUTSIDE OF COMBAT in city siege?

I don't know why you're defending this. There's no logical (or just) reason to just shaft two classes like this.

The logical reasoning is that the mechanics work differently. The Slayer/Choppa mechanic is designed to only build up in combat as it's a passive gain, where-as the Sorc/BW mechanic is active and the gains are based on using abilities, just like WH/WE and to an extend the BG/IB.

The just reason is that - as I said above - this was a workaround to fix a far bigger issue of starting fights with M4. If you want the mechanic to work then rather than ranting you'll need to come up with a way of having the mechanic build while out of combat and also have a way of stopping it from building and also hope the devs think it's both good enough and enough of a priority to implement.

"Lose some damage"? It downright neuters them at Stage 2 which is all about bursting down two NPCs before the opposing realm...

[lyncher12]

Especially stage 2. The game won't recognize you as being in combat for their class mechanic to work when attacking the NPC bosses.

The city rules were changed to prevent all NPCs from putting you in combat. This was done because people were absuing this to ensure they started fights with full morale. The downside is that Choppas and Slayers - who's mechanic requires them to be in combat - lose some damage against these NPCs.

Which according to you is cheating or whatever? You just said Choppas/Slayers shouldn't be allowed to build theirs IN COMBAT than why should Sorcs/BWs - by your logic - be allowed to build it OUTSIDE OF COMBAT in city siege?

I don't know why you're defending this. There's no logical (or just) reason to just shaft two classes like this.

The logical reasoning is that the mechanics work differently. The Slayer/Choppa mechanic is designed to only build up in combat as it's a passive gain, where-as the Sorc/BW mechanic is active and the gains are based on using abilities, just like WH/WE and to an extend the BG/IB.

The just reason is that - as I said above - this was a workaround to fix a far bigger issue of starting fights with M4. If you want the mechanic to work then rather than ranting you'll need to come up with a way of having the mechanic build while out of combat and also have a way of stopping it from building and also hope the devs think it's both good enough and enough of a priority to implement.

"Lose some damage"? It downright neuters them at Stage 2 which is all about bursting down two NPCs before the opposing realm...

So defend your lord and kill them instead of trying to pve?

[Oglaf]

The city rules were changed to prevent all NPCs from putting you in combat. This was done because people were absuing this to ensure they started fights with full morale. The downside is that Choppas and Slayers - who's mechanic requires them to be in combat - lose some damage against these NPCs.



The logical reasoning is that the mechanics work differently. The Slayer/Choppa mechanic is designed to only build up in combat as it's a passive gain, where-as the Sorc/BW mechanic is active and the gains are based on using abilities, just like WH/WE and to an extend the BG/IB.

The just reason is that - as I said above - this was a workaround to fix a far bigger issue of starting fights with M4. If you want the mechanic to work then rather than ranting you'll need to come up with a way of having the mechanic build while out of combat and also have a way of stopping it from building and also hope the devs think it's both good enough and enough of a priority to implement.

"Lose some damage"? It downright neuters them at Stage 2 which is all about bursting down two NPCs before the opposing realm...

So defend your lord and kill them instead of trying to pve?

Bruh, don't try to pull that card on me. Get that crap out of here.

The devs designed stage 2 to be PvE, not me.

[lyncher12]

"Lose some damage"? It downright neuters them at Stage 2 which is all about bursting down two NPCs before the opposing realm...

So defend your lord and kill them instead of trying to pve?

Bruh, don't try to pull that card on me. Get that crap out of here.

The devs designed stage 2 to be PvE, not me.

No they didn't. Its not set in stone how you approach the stage and if its clearly obvious you will get outdpsed why would you do it anyways?

[TreefAM]

But it's not "bursting down two npcs" as a attacker you only need to kill one and then escort, which is far easier than to race to kill both while risking both of yours dying in the proces.
As a defender sure you have to kill both npcs, but you can always do it in the middle where you can wipe the enemy team as well.