Fort Tracker One Week In

[zij83]

Most days TUP aren't pushing the zones for Order as a guild, or defending Forts, maybe once a week you may see them have a presence. In my mind they are more of a Destro guild as I seem to fight against them more than with them.

You should go work for Fox News lol

[Hardkoar]

ez mode 20 rp share

Literally spit my coffee, hate u nad love u at the same time

[diedrake]

TUP proved absolutely nothing, taking a top guild out of the equation on the other side poisons the experiment. Anyone stating that TUP proved anything at all must have never had a basic science class. You can't change the equation and then state that you now have the correct result. On top of that there is no way that order didn't know they were over there "showing destro how it's done" so I'm sure the order priding was not anywhere near what it is on a usual day. On top of that destro has a near 50% win rate when attacking, so he's trying to prove we can win fort attacks when we already do? It's amazing how dumb the argument is.

Ok so again if tup and top guilds can do, what are they doing different that rest of destro needs to start doing?

[zij83]

TUP proved absolutely nothing, taking a top guild out of the equation on the other side poisons the experiment. Anyone stating that TUP proved anything at all must have never had a basic science class. You can't change the equation and then state that you now have the correct result. On top of that there is no way that order didn't know they were over there "showing destro how it's done" so I'm sure the order priding was not anywhere near what it is on a usual day. On top of that destro has a near 50% win rate when attacking, so he's trying to prove we can win fort attacks when we already do? It's amazing how dumb the argument is.

Ok so again if tup and top guilds can do, what are they doing different that rest of destro needs to start doing?

Again, TUP did nothing destro does not already do. The destro attacker fort win rate is near 50% which to me indicates there is balance. The issue is with fort defense which at the time of this post is at 5.56%. Now some of the big brained people in this thread will just say that TUP should just go defend a fort for destro because they need babied. Go ahead we welcome all the help we can get, but if they were to do this it changes the experiment for two reasons:

1. TUP is not attacking the fort which takes a decent number of Sov geared players out of the attack and they are then replaced with people who otherwise would have just been sitting in the queue.

2. Their Orderpride fan boys will know that this is happening and set them up for success just to prove a point.

Some will say, "well how do you know number 2 is even a thing". To that I say okay fine take it out of the picture if you want, just number 1 is enough to change the experiment.

[diedrake]

TUP proved absolutely nothing, taking a top guild out of the equation on the other side poisons the experiment. Anyone stating that TUP proved anything at all must have never had a basic science class. You can't change the equation and then state that you now have the correct result. On top of that there is no way that order didn't know they were over there "showing destro how it's done" so I'm sure the order priding was not anywhere near what it is on a usual day. On top of that destro has a near 50% win rate when attacking, so he's trying to prove we can win fort attacks when we already do? It's amazing how dumb the argument is.

Ok so again if tup and top guilds can do, what are they doing different that rest of destro needs to start doing?

Again, TUP did nothing destro does not already do. The destro attacker fort win rate is near 50% which to me indicates there is balance. The issue is with fort defense which at the time of this post is at 5.56%. Now some of the big brained people in this thread will just say that TUP should just go defend a fort for destro because they need babied. Go ahead we welcome all the help we can get, but if they were to do this it changes the experiment for two reasons:

1. TUP is not attacking the fort which takes a decent number of Sov geared players out of the attack and they are then replaced with people who otherwise would have just been sitting in the queue.

2. Their Orderpride fan boys will know that this is happening and set them up for success just to prove a point.

Some will say, "well how do you know number 2 is even a thing". To that I say okay fine take it out of the picture if you want, just number 1 is enough to change the experiment.

Alright thanks, that last post i made was a real honest question.

[Squizzel26]

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TUP proved absolutely nothing, taking a top guild out of the equation on the other side poisons the experiment. Anyone stating that TUP proved anything at all must have never had a basic science class. You can't change the equation and then state that you now have the correct result. On top of that there is no way that order didn't know they were over there "showing destro how it's done" so I'm sure the order priding was not anywhere near what it is on a usual day. On top of that destro has a near 50% win rate when attacking, so he's trying to prove we can win fort attacks when we already do? It's amazing how dumb the argument is.

Why is it that taking one top guild out "poisons the experiment" but when Destro don't defend or even intentially throw you count it as just another order win?

"Anyone stating that TUP proved anything at all must have never had a basic science class."

What's with all the passive agressive shots in your posts? People are presenting opposing viewpoints in a discusion. They arn't being mean to you they just don't agree with you.
Also Having read through your posts on this thread that fact that you would call another poster out for being biased is just absurd.

"2. Their Orderpride fan boys will know that this is happening and set them up for success just to prove a point."

You really think that Order would go in the tank just to make Destro look bad? It's a game mate, put down the tinfoil hat and take a break.

[zij83]

TUP proved absolutely nothing, taking a top guild out of the equation on the other side poisons the experiment. Anyone stating that TUP proved anything at all must have never had a basic science class. You can't change the equation and then state that you now have the correct result. On top of that there is no way that order didn't know they were over there "showing destro how it's done" so I'm sure the order priding was not anywhere near what it is on a usual day. On top of that destro has a near 50% win rate when attacking, so he's trying to prove we can win fort attacks when we already do? It's amazing how dumb the argument is.

Why is it that taking one top guild out "poisons the experiment" but when Destro don't defend or even intentially throw you count it as just another order win?

"Anyone stating that TUP proved anything at all must have never had a basic science class."

What's with all the passive agressive shots in your posts? People are presenting opposing viewpoints in a discusion. They arn't being mean to you they just don't agree with you.
Also Having read through your posts on this thread that fact that you would call another poster out for being biased is just absurd.

"2. Their Orderpride fan boys will know that this is happening and set them up for success just to prove a point."

You really think that Order would go in the tank just to make Destro look bad? It's a game mate, put down the tinfoil hat and take a break.
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I probably seem aggressive because I'm extremely annoyed by an argument from bad faith.

[Lorsten]

Forts are pushable with ~3 organized (not PUG 2-2-2, i mean really organized), or 2 WB+good PUGs.
We pushed forts many times after all nerfs when managed to gather 2 Guild WB's (FMJ).
The question is why really competative WB's would participate in such bad designed sh*tfest called forts (same can be said about sieging while defending side throw corpses on RAM, and you have 10 min timeouts waiting new RAM).
Current oRvR system suffers from this bad designed aspects, so many big guilds abandoned them (especially on destro side). That made destro PUGs suffer a lot, and we have many forum threads like this.
The only oRvR tactic i see for big guilds playing in EU primetime is switching zones and try to outplay opposite side by split pushing, which of course is too hard for PUG WB's, so they cant do sh*t without 2 FMJ/TUP WB's in zone.

Pushing forts and keeps always been harder on destro, due to objective reasons, like lacking of tools like solar flare, less raw ranged power and healing, and some others, but now its just takes ridiculous effort with questionable rewards.
As for me, i'm done with forts, unless we have 2WBs, so just playing smallscale and citylog.

[Elvicof]

Morale bomb was a brainless easymode iwin button.

Rampage?

Anyone who has played Slayer knows rampage isn't that simple, it is an exhaust so has to be timed perfectly while rage is rising, then it only works if stacked with a whole bunch of Slayers and all the slayers need to be on the same immunity timer so they can use channel after without being interrupted. So a bunch of Slayers all with the same immunity, none of which who have had their rampage shattered or removed, to produce the sweet spot aoe mass damage It happens sometimes but nowhere near as simple as "3-2-1 morale bomb on my spot"

Still you make it sound like rocket science to alignment cooldowns and rage in a wb. This is very easily obtained in any organized setup, just like the moralbomb was/is.

[Twick]

Right right right when destro have a 70%+ win rate in cities it is nooo problem at all, just git gud order zomg. But when fort data is shown it is obvious that destro already got gud and they are just unbalanced!


There is some truth to all of this, but destro should be happy that the only way order can win is if they have something to hide behind


on the reals order has slightly better ranged having where as destro has 1 more melee class they can use plus everyone can be good in city comps for Destro (with WH/WE being contentious) where as in meta city comps not all order can find a place, IMO.


Just be happy as destro you earn your sov faster, oR So ThE DaTa WoUlD ShOw