Patch Notes 09/12/2020

[teiloh]

Perfect, now give me rr, gear, mastery tree builds and rr builds.
Or nefr this rr84 wl, my choppa rr41 cant kill him! Stupid! Dont like!

the BW is rr70+ and as you can see from the screenshot it states the damage bonus.

His Sorc is rr60ish if I'm not mistaken.

It's a stat contribution bug. Not considering the fact that Destro has access to -370+ ranged spammable spirit sists and Order at best has 240ish in melee range.

[Elvicof]

Why bother with numbers when you have already made up your mind. That destro is so much stronger in every aspect of the game, and your realm just consist of GOAT players that only loses because of destros OP'ness.

If you take of the biased glasses and your head out of your ass, then you realize that the balance is actually pretty close, but there are abilities/classes that performs way to good on both sides.

Yes it's balanced because we say so. Back when Destro was winning 70-80% of cities you said it was balanced too, until a patch took away that "skill advantage" in dumping Morales one takes less than 10 seconds to build.

Was playing on order before the morale nerf, so was on the recieving end of the morale-game alot of times. All these OP abilities and classes usually just gives zerg shitters the excuse they need to not feel bad for sucking

[emiliorv]

Spoiler:

Why bother with numbers when you have already made up your mind. That destro is so much stronger in every aspect of the game, and your realm just consist of GOAT players that only loses because of destros OP'ness.

If you take of the biased glasses and your head out of your ass, then you realize that the balance is actually pretty close, but there are abilities/classes that performs way to good on both sides.

Yes it's balanced because we say so. Back when Destro was winning 70-80% of cities you said it was balanced too, until a patch took away that "skill advantage" in dumping Morales one takes less than 10 seconds to build.

You mean the instances full of order-solopuggers being farmed by premades...Order still insist of using a PUG vs PREMADE isuue as a balance argument. After morale nerf the yolopuggers was still farmed...

I still remember the wbs with stacks of BWs selfpumping using the "skill advantage"

[emiliorv]

A city warband can easily run 4 BO and 4 Choppa for 8 total CDR and nearly perma uptime. Order to achieve that need 8 SM and not run any Knights and IBs, not possible. It’s been one of the big contributions of 24v24 imbalances even though blame is wrongfully going to different abilities like GDTC etc.

You are looking only into BO/Choppa/SM as cd reducers but you are missing the CD increasers (on purpose?)...order WBs usually stack 4 (or more) slayers, all of them using SL and making a perma CD increase on destro wb (and also providing a shitload of UNDEFENDABLE dmg). Destro cant stack that number of mSH to make the same effect...so probably that CD reducer was given to BO as a counter to slayers perma SL (IMO ofc).

[Gurf]

A city warband can easily run 4 BO and 4 Choppa for 8 total CDR and nearly perma uptime. Order to achieve that need 8 SM and not run any Knights and IBs, not possible. It’s been one of the big contributions of 24v24 imbalances even though blame is wrongfully going to different abilities like GDTC etc.

You are looking only into BO/Choppa/SM as cd reducers but you are missing the CD increasers (on purpose?)...order WBs usually stack 4 (or more) slayers, all of them using SL and making a perma CD increase on destro wb (and also providing a shitload of UNDEFENDABLE dmg). Destro cant stack that number of mSH to make the same effect...so probably that CD reducer was given to BO as a counter to slayers perma SL (IMO ofc).

Destro can stack as many MSH as Order can Slayers, no idea what you are talking about, plus it is aoe so you only need a few for the same effect

[Spellbound]

A city warband can easily run 4 BO and 4 Choppa for 8 total CDR and nearly perma uptime. Order to achieve that need 8 SM and not run any Knights and IBs, not possible. It’s been one of the big contributions of 24v24 imbalances even though blame is wrongfully going to different abilities like GDTC etc.

You are looking only into BO/Choppa/SM as cd reducers but you are missing the CD increasers (on purpose?)...order WBs usually stack 4 (or more) slayers, all of them using SL and making a perma CD increase on destro wb (and also providing a shitload of UNDEFENDABLE dmg). Destro cant stack that number of mSH to make the same effect...so probably that CD reducer was given to BO as a counter to slayers perma SL (IMO ofc).

Seen plenty of warbands with 3 mSH. Out of all city instances going, you’re bound to count similar number of mSH and slayers combined. SH is such a powerful class with one of the most tools. They can go melee or range to be viable for city.

Still did not explain why SM need 3 hits to get Whispering Wind off while BO and Choppa don’t. I’m ok with Destro having 2 if they make Orders **1** CD reducer instant too.

Still no explanation from devs on why SM isn’t instant.

Make the BO require 3 hits for destro to have 2 CD decreaser classes, not the SM. Development is ok with mirroring many things to Destro, I don’t see a huge imbalance by SM having theirs instant. Destro having two instant does make it lobsided and makes no sense on balancing.

Unique stuff is great for each realm and classes. Group giving abilities though should function the same.

[emiliorv]

A city warband can easily run 4 BO and 4 Choppa for 8 total CDR and nearly perma uptime. Order to achieve that need 8 SM and not run any Knights and IBs, not possible. It’s been one of the big contributions of 24v24 imbalances even though blame is wrongfully going to different abilities like GDTC etc.

You are looking only into BO/Choppa/SM as cd reducers but you are missing the CD increasers (on purpose?)...order WBs usually stack 4 (or more) slayers, all of them using SL and making a perma CD increase on destro wb (and also providing a shitload of UNDEFENDABLE dmg). Destro cant stack that number of mSH to make the same effect...so probably that CD reducer was given to BO as a counter to slayers perma SL (IMO ofc).

Seen plenty of warbands with 3 mSH.

Lets review you numbers: 4 BO+4 choppa+3 mSH (+4 chosen/Bg+8 healers) => well, looking at you numbers only 1 spot letf to: sorc/magus/we/mara....your theroycrafting numbers fail.

Another note, i have seen plenty of wbs with 3+ SWs or with 3+ engis or with 3+ WHs but that means NOTHING....they not perform well, the same happen if you stack mSHs. You want 1-2 mSHs (2 at max), if you dying at mSHs stacks you really ahve other problem beyond "balance".

Order can stack slayers without problems, they bring a strong dps and also CD increaser.

[Naelar]

memeing a fact , genius.

Any fact provided by Naelar, genius?

Well, there is Funnel Power, which is (depending on the target's resists, gear, etc) a 10-20% damage buff. On everything a BW does....
Tell me more about how a sorc can compete with that. I'll wait.

[Lorsten]

So, greenskin WB consisting of bo+choppa+sh+shamans is overpowered.
Shamans are unkillable rambos according to forum, SH are just as good as slayers, BOs and choppas got 100% uptime CD decreaser.
Need nerf Grufrip's WB, too strong.

If any BW have issues outdmging Sorc, you can ask advice of any competent BW (bombling did amazing job with his compendium), or ask me, i have both.

[Spellbound]

You are looking only into BO/Choppa/SM as cd reducers but you are missing the CD increasers (on purpose?)...order WBs usually stack 4 (or more) slayers, all of them using SL and making a perma CD increase on destro wb (and also providing a shitload of UNDEFENDABLE dmg). Destro cant stack that number of mSH to make the same effect...so probably that CD reducer was given to BO as a counter to slayers perma SL (IMO ofc).

Seen plenty of warbands with 3 mSH.

Lets review you numbers: 4 BO+4 choppa+3 mSH (+4 chosen/Bg+8 healers) => well, looking at you numbers only 1 spot letf to: sorc/magus/we/mara....your theroycrafting numbers fail.

Another note, i have seen plenty of wbs with 3+ SWs or with 3+ engis or with 3+ WHs but that means NOTHING....they not perform well, the same happen if you stack mSHs. You want 1-2 mSHs (2 at max), if you dying at mSHs stacks you really ahve other problem beyond "balance".

Order can stack slayers without problems, they bring a strong dps and also CD increaser.

Again, not one comment on why SM Whispering Wind isn’t instant ability cast like BO or Choppa. We can theory craft all day, that one question has no answer or logic that players/devs prefer to ignore and crop out when quoting a reply.