do we have a balance problem?

[Spellbound]

ATM order has the best classes for the archetypes: MDPS (Slayer), RDPS (BW), HEAL (WP) => you still refuse to play them, and refuse to k¡make proper wbs....this 2 reasons are linked ofc...ppl keep playing lol-dps/lol-classes in a high % and dont get invited to proper wbs...and finally you have a bunch of solopuggers

All that claims about destro/order dont have any sense when you see wbs filled with 5 whs+3sws or 6 engis, etc...

NOTE: I dont play any tank class, so i cant say anything about them.

Play overtuned classes to win is not a good argument discussing endgame content of the game which has 12 classes per side. Yeah, sl is probably best mdps and bw rdps (idk about healers). But then mara>wl, magus>engie, bg>IB, rSH>rSW and mSW, mSH>WL, shammie>AM, choppa is good, not far behind slayer. maybe it's that destro has more options to play? with big advantage in cc and utility, and order needing to play mainly 4 classes to win is a problem?

Having SL and BW (also it is a joke in city, mdps are much better in current meta) is not good for order (however this classes may be overtuned), we need more viable classes for different parts of the game, not 2 classes absolutely rocking.

You dont need to play only 4 classes to win, but you cant stack a pile of engis/sw/wh/am and expecto to win...the same way that destro dont stack magus/sh/we/shaman (sure mSH have better aoe than mSW but still its no good to stack them). But at least order have access to these ovetuned classes (the best in their archetype), the wbs who stack them are really hard to beat.

Also good BWs can bring a high amount of dps, if you think they are a joke dont try to play sorc...

We had a org WB against 5mSH, choppa, magus, sorc and still destroyed. Yes, you can stack mSH but you can’t stack SW

[Sofong]

u wanna win city, stack enough high rr slayer kobs wp, 1-2bw for ranged champ, that simple.
jsut this mouth i have seen a few times order won IC end up 4-1 5-1, should start taking screen shots especially for these threads.

[emiliorv]

Spoiler:

Play overtuned classes to win is not a good argument discussing endgame content of the game which has 12 classes per side. Yeah, sl is probably best mdps and bw rdps (idk about healers). But then mara>wl, magus>engie, bg>IB, rSH>rSW and mSW, mSH>WL, shammie>AM, choppa is good, not far behind slayer. maybe it's that destro has more options to play? with big advantage in cc and utility, and order needing to play mainly 4 classes to win is a problem?

Having SL and BW (also it is a joke in city, mdps are much better in current meta) is not good for order (however this classes may be overtuned), we need more viable classes for different parts of the game, not 2 classes absolutely rocking.

You dont need to play only 4 classes to win, but you cant stack a pile of engis/sw/wh/am and expecto to win...the same way that destro dont stack magus/sh/we/shaman (sure mSH have better aoe than mSW but still its no good to stack them). But at least order have access to these ovetuned classes (the best in their archetype), the wbs who stack them are really hard to beat.

Also good BWs can bring a high amount of dps, if you think they are a joke dont try to play sorc...

We had a org WB against 5mSH, choppa, magus, sorc and still destroyed. Yes, you can stack mSH but you can’t stack SW

If you get destroyed by a stack of mSHs you have a problem beyond balance => their dmg relies in a channeled cast and can be stopped easy.
Im curious about the comp of your "organized wb"...didnt you save a ss of that stomp?

[teiloh]

You dont need to play only 4 classes to win, but you cant stack a pile of engis/sw/wh/am and expecto to win...the same way that destro dont stack magus/sh/we/shaman (sure mSH have better aoe than mSW but still its no good to stack them). But at least order have access to these ovetuned classes (the best in their archetype), the wbs who stack them are really hard to beat.

Also good BWs can bring a high amount of dps, if you think they are a joke dont try to play sorc...

Because 360-400 AOE Corp + 150-380 Spirit debuff advantage is nothing, right?

[lyncher12]

can we just close this topic? very few warband players know anything and even less for soloers.

[teiloh]

anyway, Order retains the strongest AOE mdps in the game, Slayer (mine is rr81)
anyway, Order retains the strongest AOE magic bomb class in the game, Brightwizard (mine is rr83)
anyway, Order retains the best warband tank in the game, Aurabot aka kotb (mine is 67 or something, so boring)
anyway, Order has probably the best healer duo synergy in the game between WP (rr48, booring) and RP (too short, too stuntie to be playable IMO), from both being able to pump AP, both having outgoing heal modifiers, both being tanky as **** and forming the backbone of any good

Since you have both BW and Sorc at high ranks, do you mind testing the difference in BB and WoP damage (heard that was a contribution bug on BW side)

Also not seeing where a BW can overcome the imbalance in resist debuffs.

Knights are good for Order but also not seeing where they are exceptional. BO with their CD reducer among other things are prob the best in general.

[teiloh]

ATM order has the best classes for the archetypes: MDPS (Slayer), RDPS (BW), HEAL (WP) => you still refuse to play them, and refuse to k¡make proper wbs....

Source/argument needed.

[emiliorv]

You dont need to play only 4 classes to win, but you cant stack a pile of engis/sw/wh/am and expecto to win...the same way that destro dont stack magus/sh/we/shaman (sure mSH have better aoe than mSW but still its no good to stack them). But at least order have access to these ovetuned classes (the best in their archetype), the wbs who stack them are really hard to beat.

Also good BWs can bring a high amount of dps, if you think they are a joke dont try to play sorc...

Because 360-400 AOE Corp + 150-380 Spirit debuff advantage is nothing, right?

2xBWs bring more dps than 1xSorc+1xMagus

[teiloh]

2xBWs bring more dps than 1xSorc+1xMagus

Magus alone > 1 BW dps
Sorc alone > 1 BW

Magus + Sorc >>> 2 BW

Unless they're doing coordinated Flashfire, in which case DPS is still not great but controlled burst is excellent

What AOE rotation are you comparing? FBB + FP? Because other than Flashfire BW have almost nothing else on the Sorc

[Rumpel]

Seems like destros do more grouping to get an city invite? How does orderjoin city sc?