do we have a balance problem?

[ravezaar]

to answer OP without 30pages of nonsense: Y E S

[Foltestik]

Black Orc > Swordmaster
Chosen > KotBS
Black Guard > Ironbreaker
WitchElf > Witch Hunter
Marauder < White Lion
Choppa = Slayer
Bright Wizard = Sorc
Magus > Engineer
SquigHerder => ShadowWarrior (the mSH is broken OPed atm)
Dok > WarriorPriest
Zealot > Runepriest
Shaman = Archmage (even though the Shammy is the master of utility/escape)

That's pretty lopsided in Dest favor.

It's also common knowledge that the Dest classes synergize MUCH better than the Order classes with gives them even more of an advantage.

this is best joke

[Panzerkasper]

Chosen > KotBS

And that kids is, how you lose every right to be taken seriously!

[Toshutkidup]

City gives decent fights, but mostly as order tbh, as destro you mostly face solo engies.

But yeah, orvr roaming is the most fun fights. Sadly fighting on loosing side might just tip power and then we get no city in outside NA times. Fighting in orvr is the endgame

Take this in no way as attack or insult. But are you essentially saying that orvr is more fun HOWEVER fun is pushed aside to get to city and get royals?

If that is indeed the case, then I feel bad.

[Banjomissen]

How about a look at the bonus you get being the outnumbered realm? Right now you get a renown bonus.

How about an increase in dmg done and / or reduction in dmg taken by the same amount as the realm in outnumbered? It would actually provide a bonus that'll give the underdogs a fighting chance.

[Toshutkidup]

How about a look at the bonus you get being the outnumbered realm? Right now you get a renown bonus.

How about an increase in dmg done and / or reduction in dmg taken by the same amount as the realm in outnumbered? It would actually provide a bonus that'll give the underdogs a fighting chance.

You already have a system in place called”diminishing rations”. The point of the system is that if a side has overwhelming more numbers they get a wounds debuff. I’ve had my wounds cut by 50% on some occasions.

But when ur in a zone solo and have 400% AAO, sure you can get a kill for 15k RR. But what usually happens is that since the overpopulated side has no one really to kill, you get run over almost non stop by every grp,person, warbands in the zone. Most players know that really each zone has a few places to go.. so they just camp them all. Or you just sit in a keep and wait to be attacked.

[normanis]

destro>order stop living in past. order was nerfed so many times. flashfire worked fine before ppl started to touch it, now its work buggy. not mention what got order from destro all those cool abilities. and sorc got more buffs than bw. byt ppl still live in times when there was grass greener in warhammer. city siege clearly shows that magys deal 4million damage i didnt seen such numbers on engineer. and city also shows there is no balance at all. any am would be happy to all those buffs as shaman have.

[balvor877]

Please do something about t1 balance as well.

WL is completely broken. Pet is buggy, damage is gone. Coordinated Strike is a joke. Every WL in the group makes the group weaker. WLs are the squishy version of the Mara now without tools.

Shamans and SHs are incredible overpowered now. Especially SHs are nuts. Destro has waaaay too much killing power now in t1. Basically every destro class is doing well while the order classes getting weaker and weaker.

You are breaking the game.

[Gurf]

The balance isn't too bad to be honest, the main imbalances are that Shaman has much more survivability than AM and Destro have 2 Cooldown Decreasers while Order has one which is unreliable/can be blocked/parried and can't be pre-loaded. Those are the only main differences and advantages Destro has.

[Gurf]

Please do something about t1 balance as well.

WL is completely broken. Pet is buggy, damage is gone. Coordinated Strike is a joke. Every WL in the group makes the group weaker. WLs are the squishy version of the Mara now without tools.

Shamans and SHs are incredible overpowered now. Especially SHs are nuts. Destro has waaaay too much killing power now in t1. Basically every destro class is doing well while the order classes getting weaker and weaker.

You are breaking the game.

Who cares about t1 balance, its over in a couple of hours and is completely dependent on whether someone has tweaked their character or not