MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#11 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:22 pm

licenje wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:21 am its same with BG they get buged my dps AM with 1073 int and 12% distrupt strike true + 10% from tactic had 12 distrupts in row and then i died.... 12 distrupts form 65 rr 2hand BG...
And yday i was 3x stagerd while carrying flag in stc SC and none off em gave me immunity form 3x zealot on my slayer... so was 12 sec in cc

That BG was most likely running caster killer build with Shielding anger (and endless pursuit) plus if he knew what he was doing his dodge&disrupt was maxed in renown and he almost certainly had his willpower buffed with brutal smash to max d&d.

Zealot can spec for chain snare skill (same as runnie for chain stagger btw).

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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#12 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:35 pm

NSKaneda wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:22 pm
licenje wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:21 am its same with BG they get buged my dps AM with 1073 int and 12% distrupt strike true + 10% from tactic had 12 distrupts in row and then i died.... 12 distrupts form 65 rr 2hand BG...
And yday i was 3x stagerd while carrying flag in stc SC and none off em gave me immunity form 3x zealot on my slayer... so was 12 sec in cc

That BG was most likely running caster killer build with Shielding anger (and endless pursuit) plus if he knew what he was doing his dodge&disrupt was maxed in renown and he almost certainly had his willpower buffed with brutal smash to max d&d.

Zealot can spec for chain snare skill (same as runnie for chain stagger btw).

Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

As a healer with around 1k willpower I have never seen more than 2 disrupts in a row , let alone 12. Something is very off for a BG to get that.

Not sure what you mean by Chain stagger on RP, nothing on RP can chain stagger.

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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#13 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:46 pm

Gurf wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:35 pm
NSKaneda wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:22 pm
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licenje wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:21 am its same with BG they get buged my dps AM with 1073 int and 12% distrupt strike true + 10% from tactic had 12 distrupts in row and then i died.... 12 distrupts form 65 rr 2hand BG...
And yday i was 3x stagerd while carrying flag in stc SC and none off em gave me immunity form 3x zealot on my slayer... so was 12 sec in cc

That BG was most likely running caster killer build with Shielding anger (and endless pursuit) plus if he knew what he was doing his dodge&disrupt was maxed in renown and he almost certainly had his willpower buffed with brutal smash to max d&d.

Zealot can spec for chain snare skill (same as runnie for chain stagger btw).

Nothing to see here, move along, move along.



As a healer with around 1k willpower I have never seen more than 2 disrupts in a row , let alone 12. Something is very off for a BG to get that.

Not sure what you mean by Chain stagger on RP, nothing on RP can chain stagger.

You're speccing your healer wrong then :D My shammie can stand in funnel and rivers of disrupt flow. My tanks can stand in aoe and swim in disrupts. BG with max dodge and disrupt (18%) + shielding anger at 100hate (30%) plus buffed willpower for added disrupt... Anticaster tanks are meant to be standing in magical aoe and laugh. Nothing's off with that BG (or IBs for that matter).

I'm sorry, chain snare same as zealot, not chain stagger - Rune of Burning. My bad.
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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#14 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:36 pm

Please record it and post it on GitHub as a bug report
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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#15 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:55 pm

As for mSH - bouncing path tactic Sneaky Git increases your defences by 10% while in squig form, including dodge&disrupt.
18% from deft defender + 10% from sneaky git + whatever buffs they might have had on: that's before m1 100% dodge&disrupt for 7 seconds.

There might be bug in play. But I'd rather see first what buffs and debuffs were in play before taking 30ish % disrupt rate into account. Just because someone is of higher rank doesn't mean (s)he'll automatically own lower rank opponent. Thank Mork for that.
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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#16 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:06 pm

I have played against 2 differents msh that was 100% disrupt on my bw during all the sc's. Eif was the last one this morning.

Stop saying that is m1, we are not dumb ... there is not m1 that last 15minutes dude xD

But, I know Bambi as he is on my guild, that is a sad story because he didnt get any possibility to show screenshare or vocal discution, just ban accusing of cheating.
I understand suspicion on gm side, and sadness/angry on player side.

Devs are aware of the situation, let hope that they will find the problem and unban people (if its a bug and not a hack, of course)

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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#17 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:30 pm

vastou wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:06 pm I have played against 2 differents msh that was 100% disrupt on my bw during all the sc's. Eif was the last one this morning.

Stop saying that is m1, we are not dumb ... there is not m1 that last 15minutes dude xD

But, I know Bambi as he is on my guild, that is a sad story because he didnt get any possibility to show screenshare or vocal discution, just ban accusing of cheating.
I understand suspicion on gm side, and sadness/angry on player side.

Devs are aware of the situation, let hope that they will find the problem and unban people (if its a bug and not a hack, of course)

Scenarios mean that it wasn't 1v1 - there were other players involved. Buffs. Debuffs. Morales (not only mSH m1 but morales in general). Guard(s). Hold the line or two... I'm not saying it was m1 - I'm saying that you can build mSH (and some other classes too) to have really high disrupt rate and banning people before investigating the matter is... Rushed? I'm not gonna discuss GM decisions though as it is not my place to do so.

I'm quite sensitive when it comes to accusations of cheating from players (apart from obvious speed hacks) since I've seen those accusations thrown at players in almost every game I played. There are times in RoR when I cannot tab or near target an enemy even if he's right in front of me - is that guy cheating? I prefer to think it's latency issue - when I clear all def and off targets I can click and select that guy... I've met people in WAR and ROR that negated my every move and deleted me in seconds - were they cheating? I prefer to think they were that good.
I've played with true legends on KNorn. I've seen people do "impossible" things. Stevenseagull and Santsu tanking literal warbands on their IBs. Sorcs deleting whole warbands (I'm lucky enough to know some of them and I am humbled by how good those guys are). Magi that could melt rr100 tanks in full deftard builds. BWs doing 9 million dmg with 175 KBs in cities - going against coordinated warbands.
Slayers racing BWs for zone kills and doing well over 500 in two hours during End Times.

I've never cheated*, I even don't use noob buttons since I perceive them as unfair advantage tool - but I was called "cheater" in almost every multiplayer game I played. Sure, if you suspect foul play record, bug report and hope for it to be resolved. I'm going to keep giving my opponents a benefit of doubt ;)


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Re: MsH Bug Perma Dodge / Disrupt

Post#18 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:38 pm

NSKaneda wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:30 pm
vastou wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:06 pm I have played against 2 differents msh that was 100% disrupt on my bw during all the sc's. Eif was the last one this morning.

Stop saying that is m1, we are not dumb ... there is not m1 that last 15minutes dude xD

But, I know Bambi as he is on my guild, that is a sad story because he didnt get any possibility to show screenshare or vocal discution, just ban accusing of cheating.
I understand suspicion on gm side, and sadness/angry on player side.

Devs are aware of the situation, let hope that they will find the problem and unban people (if its a bug and not a hack, of course)

Scenarios mean that it wasn't 1v1 - there were other players involved. Buffs. Debuffs. Morales (not only mSH m1 but morales in general). Guard(s). Hold the line or two... I'm not saying it was m1 - I'm saying that you can build mSH (and some other classes too) to have really high disrupt rate and banning people before investigating the matter is... Rushed? I'm not gonna discuss GM decisions though as it is not my place to do so.

I'm quite sensitive when it comes to accusations of cheating from players (apart from obvious speed hacks) since I've seen those accusations thrown at players in almost every game I played. There are times in RoR when I cannot tab or near target an enemy even if he's right in front of me - is that guy cheating? I prefer to think it's latency issue - when I clear all def and off targets I can click and select that guy... I've met people in WAR and ROR that negated my every move and deleted me in seconds - were they cheating? I prefer to think they were that good.
I've played with true legends on KNorn. I've seen people do "impossible" things. Stevenseagull and Santsu tanking literal warbands on their IBs. Sorcs deleting whole warbands (I'm lucky enough to know some of them and I am humbled by how good those guys are). Magi that could melt rr100 tanks in full deftard builds. BWs doing 9 million dmg with 175 KBs in cities - going against coordinated warbands.
Slayers racing BWs for zone kills and doing well over 500 in two hours during End Times.

I've never cheated*, I even don't use noob buttons since I perceive them as unfair advantage tool - but I was called "cheater" in almost every multiplayer game I played. Sure, if you suspect foul play record, bug report and hope for it to be resolved. I'm going to keep giving my opponents a benefit of doubt ;)


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