SHs - Need stealth

[Mordd]

30' range and requires you to live that long. If you could even get to within 30' AND happen to have that slotted.

SH Tools
stop runnin
Sticky Squigz
run away
not so fast
Explodin Arrer
Drop That
Lemme out

Some of these will have overlapping immunities. But you have plenty to chose from. My baby squig has all of these. I also have an 82 WL I soloed on quite a bit. Before the squig buffs and WL nerfs it was a toss up against a good squig who would win. Now any half way competent squig should win pretty easily.

Yes. Classes have CC. Good point.

Second weird trick, since we're learning things today.

you do need to learn the real game and not imaginary WH.

you have three times minimum you have to close the gap.
1. initial contact. WL will need to snare break and pounce or charge.
2. squig punts WL or self punts. pounce or charge.
3. again which ever was not used in step2. IF using a pet and speed training tactic, fetch, IF the SH doesnt just jump at the right time and avoid the fetch while using its timer. If no pet you can try pouncing again, maybe. Normally just dead at this step if no pet.
4. squig disarms the WL if its near death or knocks down for more range to string the WL along more. Dead WL.

Pounce is now 45' so the squg can stay out of range and shoot you. Even if you can pounce, pounce puts you 10'+ behind the target, out of range of melee attacks.

[Mordd]

Wargrimnir ????

Moral 1 Moral 1 Moral 1 Moral 1

this is your answer of the SH defences????? Moral 1

OMG

guard and heal help too.

I love how incredulous the response is.

So way to beat a solo squig. bring a group. Balance...

[wargrimnir]

30' range and requires you to live that long. If you could even get to within 30' AND happen to have that slotted.

SH Tools
stop runnin
Sticky Squigz
run away
not so fast
Explodin Arrer
Drop That
Lemme out

Some of these will have overlapping immunities. But you have plenty to chose from. My baby squig has all of these. I also have an 82 WL I soloed on quite a bit. Before the squig buffs and WL nerfs it was a toss up against a good squig who would win. Now any half way competent squig should win pretty easily.

Yes. Classes have CC. Good point.

Second weird trick, since we're learning things today.

you do need to learn the real game and not imaginary WH.

you have three times minimum you have to close the gap.
1. initial contact. WL will need to snare break and pounce or charge.
2. squig punts WL or self punts. pounce or charge.
3. again which ever was not used in step2. IF using a pet and speed training tactic, fetch, IF the SH doesnt just jump at the right time and avoid the fetch while using its timer. If no pet you can try pouncing again, maybe. Normally just dead at this step if no pet.
4. squig disarms the WL if its near death or knocks down for more range to string the WL along more. Dead WL.

Pounce is now 45' so the squg can stay out of range and shoot you. Even if you can pounce, pounce puts you 10'+ behind the target, out of range of melee attacks.

Imagining all the perfect ways that a squig could respond sure sounds like actually playing the real game and not your imaginary squig.

Both the classes have answers for each other. Enjoy the dance, and group up if you don't want to worry about it at all.

[Celyt]

Regardless of what abilities a whit lion has I don't see any justification for buffing the Squig Herder as high as it has been.

[wargrimnir]

Regardless of what abilities a whit lion has I don't see any justification for buffing the Squig Herder as high as it has been.

That's a fine opinion to have.

[Mordd]

Yes. Classes have CC. Good point.

Second weird trick, since we're learning things today.

you do need to learn the real game and not imaginary WH.

you have three times minimum you have to close the gap.
1. initial contact. WL will need to snare break and pounce or charge.
2. squig punts WL or self punts. pounce or charge.
3. again which ever was not used in step2. IF using a pet and speed training tactic, fetch, IF the SH doesnt just jump at the right time and avoid the fetch while using its timer. If no pet you can try pouncing again, maybe. Normally just dead at this step if no pet.
4. squig disarms the WL if its near death or knocks down for more range to string the WL along more. Dead WL.

Pounce is now 45' so the squg can stay out of range and shoot you. Even if you can pounce, pounce puts you 10'+ behind the target, out of range of melee attacks.

Imagining all the perfect ways that a squig could respond sure sounds like actually playing the real game and not your imaginary squig.

Both the classes have answers for each other. Enjoy the dance, and group up if you don't want to worry about it at all.

Most of the sqig abilities talked about are used on a daily basis. So a bad sqig that has forgotten half of his abilities could lose to a perfectly played WL. No both classes dont have answers to the other i just showed that quite clearly. Even a perfectly speced and moral speced WL should lose to a run of the mill speced squig as long as the squig isnt on idiot vs a perfectly played WL.

Now the game is not designed around 1v1 for balance and as a whole i do agree with that. But that does not mean the squig is in any way balanced. You came into the conversation trying to justify the squig in this 1v1 setting by cherry picking an ability or two and talking down to me. I know this particular fight. Ive played it from both sides. I know how it plays out. My baby RR45 SH will beat my 82 Wl most of the time. A lucky string of burst damage from my WL or no room for the the squig to kite being the chances.

I am more concerned about the combination of all of the CC and utility in the class mixed with its burst and multitude escape tools it has in a group or larger setting.

[billyk]

Destro runs 3 SH + 3 Shammy 6 mans sometimes, they mow everything down.

Sure, ranked Scs are plenty of this comps...oh wait..

Sham+ rSh so OP that there's max 1 spot for each in organized city.

Try it. We just had an all gobbo wb in HP.

[Jinxypie]

Sure, ranked Scs are plenty of this comps...oh wait..

Sham+ rSh so OP that there's max 1 spot for each in organized city.

Try it. We just had an all gobbo wb in HP.

Screenshot or it didn't happen

[Toobad]

Regardless of what abilities a whit lion has I don't see any justification for buffing the Squig Herder as high as it has been.

That's a fine opinion to have.

Given you're a Dev, I would expect a much better response. Pretty disappointing that you aren't at least listening to the concerns and instead are simply dismissing them as opinions.

[wargrimnir]

Regardless of what abilities a whit lion has I don't see any justification for buffing the Squig Herder as high as it has been.

That's a fine opinion to have.

Given you're a Dev, I would expect a much better response. Pretty disappointing that you aren't at least listening to the concerns and instead are simply dismissing them as opinions.

Is this really the thread where concerns should be taken seriously? Based on the title it seems like a joke thread. Maybe I am out of touch and we should seriously consider giving Squigs stealth capability.