Patch Notes 20/05/2021

[Rucent]

Note to add, Realm Champions don’t make ultimate changes or balance ideas. We helped with areas development wanted to focus on and we initially brought up morale and CDR balance before class adjustments which can be done in the future to adjust to morale/CDR changes that might be needed. Got to adjust the major/obvious changes before classes else you’ll just be going in circles if morale/CDR isn’t equal between realms.

Majority of the ideas weren’t done as requested but that is fine. Balancing in game never ends and adjustments will always happen.

ORvR is largely based on who has the Zerg size and organized vs organized 24v24 shows which side is getting heavier benefits of Immaculate Defense and Windblock too fast while it’s rare to see ID from an Order tank. Players will eventually learn to adjust. Think it took a week after the Shadow Warrior change before adjustments were made. Order size of oRvR has been due to a lot of realm swaps from destro side so that’s not a factor or reason for balance that order is pushing more cities or larger numbers.

Black Orcs aren’t gutted and still a really strong class.

do any of the realm champions play a black ork? would they keep on playing it? is it BIS? as it played at the highest level for extended period of time?

You can say Blacks orcs aren't gutted as much as you like but doesnt make it true

Removed THC from snb
Nerfed its GCD and morale pump whilst buffing mirror

Bork got dragged down to BG levels and bork has no solid punt and now reducded utility

IB got buffed to rival SM, SM got buffed again

There is a difference in how balance is handled between the factions and has been for last few years... To think CF and WW is on a equal footing is very misleading, time to level my SM

Xergon, Sulorie, Carthage the original 3 RC for destro had 3-4 months for counter proposals. Xergon posted few sentences once per 2 months before removal due to lack of participation and gathering feedback from Destro, unlike Rydiak and myself did publicity offering to get feedback. Carthage had RL and had to go AWOL. They were there to give proposals and counter proposals from community feedback and none were given other than comments. Their participation was nearly nil.

Overall RoR Staff makes decisions not RC. Take it up with Destro experienced RC why they didn’t counter propose for 4 months and debate topics over being silent.

Everyone has opinions such as myself, you, other players and staff. No patch or idea will be perfect. Things will always change for one side or another.

Remember SW buff lasted 48 hours while SH got to hold theirs for 6 months. Just move on and play the game if choose to keep going and keep giving feedback to RC, whoever they might be rather than complain patch day.

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[madrocks]

Spoiler:

Xergon, Sulorie, Carthage the original 3 RC for destro had 3-4 months for counter proposals. Xergon posted few sentences once per 2 months before removal due to lack of participation and gathering feedback from Destro, unlike Rydiak and myself did publicity offering to get feedback. Carthage had RL and had to go AWOL. They were there to give proposals and counter proposals from community feedback and none were given other than comments. Their participation was nearly nil.

Overall RoR Staff makes decisions not RC. Take it up with Destro experienced RC why they didn’t counter propose for 4 months and debate topics over being silent.

Everyone has opinions such as myself, you, other players and staff. No patch or idea will be perfect. Things will always change for one side or another.

Remember SW buff lasted 48 hours while SH got to hold theirs for 6 months. Just move on and play the game if choose to keep going and keep giving feedback to RC, whoever they might be rather than complain patch day.

Things start to make sense now.

[Sundowner]

Note to add, Realm Champions don’t make ultimate changes or balance ideas. We helped with areas development wanted to focus on and we initially brought up morale and CDR balance before class adjustments which can be done in the future to adjust to morale/CDR changes that might be needed. Got to adjust the major/obvious changes before classes else you’ll just be going in circles if morale/CDR isn’t equal between realms.

Majority of the ideas weren’t done as requested but that is fine. Balancing in game never ends and adjustments will always happen.

ORvR is largely based on who has the Zerg size and organized vs organized 24v24 shows which side is getting heavier benefits of Immaculate Defense and Windblock too fast while it’s rare to see ID from an Order tank. Players will eventually learn to adjust. Think it took a week after the Shadow Warrior change before adjustments were made. Order size of oRvR has been due to a lot of realm swaps from destro side so that’s not a factor or reason for balance that order is pushing more cities or larger numbers.

Black Orcs aren’t gutted and still a really strong class.

do any of the realm champions play a black ork? would they keep on playing it? is it BIS? as it played at the highest level for extended period of time?

You can say Blacks orcs aren't gutted as much as you like but doesnt make it true

Removed THC from snb
Nerfed its GCD and morale pump whilst buffing mirror

Bork got dragged down to BG levels and bork has no solid punt and now reducded utility

IB got buffed to rival SM, SM got buffed again

There is a difference in how balance is handled between the factions and has been for last few years... To think CF and WW is on a equal footing is very misleading, time to level my SM

Xergon, Sulorie, Carthage the original 3 RC for destro had 3-4 months for counter proposals. Xergon posted few sentences once per 2 months before removal due to lack of participation and gathering feedback from Destro, unlike Rydiak and myself did publicity offering to get feedback. Carthage had RL and had to go AWOL. They were there to give proposals and counter proposals from community feedback and none were given other than comments. Their participation was nearly nil.

Overall RoR Staff makes decisions not RC. Take it up with Destro experienced RC why they didn’t counter propose for 4 months and debate topics over being silent.

Everyone has opinions such as myself, you, other players and staff. No patch or idea will be perfect. Things will always change for one side or another.

Remember SW buff lasted 48 hours while SH got to hold theirs for 6 months. Just move on and play the game if choose to keep going and keep giving feedback to RC, whoever they might be rather than complain patch day.

Just interesting, is proposal forum section monitored by RC? It has been silent for a time, maybe if people know you are monitoring it more proposals will flow

[marafado]

When the players are asking all the time to "buff this class, nerf the other", can be dificult to put the blame in devs, gms, rcs...etc dont forget this guys are players too;) at least i hope most of them still play the game.

In my modest opinion, if you open the pandora box you need to deal with that...and i thik that box is open since t2 was realeased (lets try this, lets "fix" that, if dont work it we revert it) ;p

[madrocks]

Nah there is no excuse for taking a spot of responsibility (destro RC) and then not following up on it.

[GamesBond]

There's no way to see the balance changes as overall a pretty big nerf to destro. Sure, some are mirrored (Magus.Engi, Chosen/KOTBS). But Between the BO, Shaman and SH nerfs, WL buff, and the DoK nerf/WP buff, there are so many cases where the destro class got hit and the order class was either buffed, left alone, or at worse nerfed less.

IMHO it would have been smarter to focus on one thing at a time. Morale building a problem? Fine, fix that. AP drians too powerful? Apply those changes evenly. Underused tactics? Sure, try to fix those (but who says that all tactics need to be slotted anyway?). But when you triple-nerf a class like Squig Herders, and claim that the Shaman grouping power is too powerful, and those same players are regularly hit with multiple stacks of broadhead arrow in any keep fight...the reaction should be very predictable.

This really feels like the typical free shard inflection point: the start of the so-called balance changes that then need fixes, and fixes of fixes, and so on with each patch riling up some set of people and making others happy only due to schadenfreude. This is bound to happen when making such changes without the benefit of any sort of test server, and that's a problem endemic to free shards of any game. I had just been hoping that this one wouldn't fall into that trap, because it's a really hard one to get out of.

They were discussed one at a time or each in their own channel or thread. But they were just patched in bulk. I do get what you mean though regarding the fixes after balance patches. I think it's inevitable though.

[loik]

"Destro playing order out of protest? Shocking. Maybe that'll teach us!"

Yeah the problem wouldn't be moving to order but people not logging in anymore...

[arorwne]

Destro playing order out of protest? Shocking. Maybe that'll teach us!

It's a prime time to level a Drengi, get to it!

In the other news, are you willing to discuss Focused Offense now? My suggestions were chamomile next to what you have done. Just saying.

[Xergon]

Spoiler:

Note to add, Realm Champions don’t make ultimate changes or balance ideas. We helped with areas development wanted to focus on and we initially brought up morale and CDR balance before class adjustments which can be done in the future to adjust to morale/CDR changes that might be needed. Got to adjust the major/obvious changes before classes else you’ll just be going in circles if morale/CDR isn’t equal between realms.

Majority of the ideas weren’t done as requested but that is fine. Balancing in game never ends and adjustments will always happen.

ORvR is largely based on who has the Zerg size and organized vs organized 24v24 shows which side is getting heavier benefits of Immaculate Defense and Windblock too fast while it’s rare to see ID from an Order tank. Players will eventually learn to adjust. Think it took a week after the Shadow Warrior change before adjustments were made. Order size of oRvR has been due to a lot of realm swaps from destro side so that’s not a factor or reason for balance that order is pushing more cities or larger numbers.

Black Orcs aren’t gutted and still a really strong class.

do any of the realm champions play a black ork? would they keep on playing it? is it BIS? as it played at the highest level for extended period of time?

You can say Blacks orcs aren't gutted as much as you like but doesnt make it true

Removed THC from snb
Nerfed its GCD and morale pump whilst buffing mirror

Bork got dragged down to BG levels and bork has no solid punt and now reducded utility

IB got buffed to rival SM, SM got buffed again

There is a difference in how balance is handled between the factions and has been for last few years... To think CF and WW is on a equal footing is very misleading, time to level my SM

Xergon, Sulorie, Carthage the original 3 RC for destro had 3-4 months for counter proposals. Xergon posted few sentences once per 2 months before removal due to lack of participation and gathering feedback from Destro, unlike Rydiak and myself did publicity offering to get feedback. Carthage had RL and had to go AWOL. They were there to give proposals and counter proposals from community feedback and none were given other than comments. Their participation was nearly nil.

Overall RoR Staff makes decisions not RC. Take it up with Destro experienced RC why they didn’t counter propose for 4 months and debate topics over being silent.

Everyone has opinions such as myself, you, other players and staff. No patch or idea will be perfect. Things will always change for one side or another.

Remember SW buff lasted 48 hours while SH got to hold theirs for 6 months. Just move on and play the game if choose to keep going and keep giving feedback to RC, whoever they might be rather than complain patch day.

Hold on big boi... indeed i did not participate in spamming every thread how good every proposals were, in most i was interested in i stated my view and i had no need to post in every thread 10-15 times (if i knew im expected to do that from the start i would not join RC at all), agreeing with each other how good those proposals are and so on... I viewed my opinion clearly and it was not welcomed. Its ok, now some ppl have totally free hand of doing as they please. Some ppl wanted me out for reasons not connected with balance at all (or maybe because i was obstacle to those), and they succeeded.

While i did agreed with what u were aiming for i did not agreed with path u took to achieve it.

And yes RC dont do balance on their own but they do have impact on reviewing and proposing changes. But if some ppl have enough IQ will understand how some changes made through fully.

[Opeteh]

Destro playing order out of protest? Shocking. Maybe that'll teach us!

Sir, your posts are often disrespectful and biased against Destro community. I don't track who is who in Devs/GMs area but I know you are important and have a lot to say when it comes to balance . And this worries me.