Patch Notes 20/05/2021

[sharpblader]

How one becomes a RC what is the requirements ?

No marks on your record. Exceptional ability to write balance proposals and hold civil discussions about complex balance topics. That's about it.

No marks? So, you'd turn down some mega expert like, idk, Dr.House just because he is rude? You for real? You should pick these things on merit, not on "yes men" or "wienerschule behavior" factors. Sure, those should come into play, but only as a very last resort to choose between two equally good candidates.

Hold up. I stopped eating my popcorn.

Did you just really use a fictional tv character as an example for how things should function? Are YOU for real? Only rarely can one getaway by being a complete asshole irrespective of their 'genius'.

Best results originate through civil mutual discussions and compromises. Not through know it alls, nor full yes men.

[zulnam]

Instead of removing cd decrease from BO wasn't a way better solution to just give another cd decrease on an order dps toon?

That would even allows more wb composition flexibility on both sides.

It was proposed multiple times as well... now is destro supposed to bring 4 choppas to wb? (and you even plan to move it to 2h tree, that's just crazy).

Careful on AM morale pump, you might have not realized that you just gave a REALM aoe morale pump with EoV, that has to go, before it even starts.

If your rationale is to mirror pivotal abilities, you should consider mirroring the good order stuff too.

In general I don't disagree on the morale changes, but always supported progressive changes, instead of hammering big swing patches.

On a side note, I seriously question the RC system to begin with, when you have long time veterans playing both sides with enormous game experience and knowledge not in there, only because they are not YES men.
Just swallow your pride pill and use them to gather accurate feedback, instead of this utter mess.

Just my 2c, take care.

This. RCs should be people who play and lead on both sides since they have the big picture of the overall meta to understand what needs changes and what doesn't.

Now, best case scenario we won't get any more RCs at all.

Or maybe next ranked season it will be order's turn to get 3 inactive RCs and an entire A4 page of nerfs and our turn to call it "balance".

[Ninjagon]

This patch looks hard for Destruction. Lets test it and we will see.

[Sulorie]

Instead of removing cd decrease from BO wasn't a way better solution to just give another cd decrease on an order dps toon?

That would even allows more wb composition flexibility on both sides.

It was proposed multiple times as well... now is destro supposed to bring 4 choppas to wb? (and you even plan to move it to 2h tree, that's just crazy).

Careful on AM morale pump, you might have not realized that you just gave a REALM aoe morale pump with EoV, that has to go, before it even starts.

If your rationale is to mirror pivotal abilities, you should consider mirroring the good order stuff too.

In general I don't disagree on the morale changes, but always supported progressive changes, instead of hammering big swing patches.

On a side note, I seriously question the RC system to begin with, when you have long time veterans playing both sides with enormous game experience and knowledge not in there, only because they are not YES men.
Just swallow your pride pill and use them to gather accurate feedback, instead of this utter mess.

Just my 2c, take care.

This. RCs should be people who play and lead on both sides since they have the big picture of the overall meta to understand what needs changes and what doesn't.

Now, best case scenario we won't get any more RCs at all.

Or maybe next ranked season it will be order's turn to get 3 inactive RCs and an entire A4 page of nerfs and our turn to call it "balance".

You make it sound like it wasn't mentioned internally, that those changes would cause huge problems, when talking about CDR.
The AM moral pump should imo only work on Isha heals.
While sham offers guaranteed Moral gain, AM one is not refreshing, chance based and can't be amplified by CDR.

[Evilest]

Dok/wp aoe detaunt very good idea.

No, no it's not. The root of the problem is that there's still squishies happily bunny hopping around the front line (or in front). Dok/wp with medium armor just make the real issue more apparent. The aoe detaunt nerf affects them but it also affects "normal" doks/wps.

[Duukar]

"There will always be room for Black Orcs"

aaaaaaannnnnnnddddd Black Orcs no longer have room anywhere.......

[arorwne]

Dok/wp aoe detaunt very good idea.

No, no it's not. The root of the problem is that there's still squishies happily bunny hopping around the front line (or in front). Dok/wp with medium armor just make the real issue more apparent. The aoe detaunt nerf affects them but it also affects "normal" doks/wps.

Balance isn't easy. Because it takes foresight and big picture perception and not all people are well attuned to that. With that said, this scythe type balance(just a big old swing and what sticks, sticks) don't do them any favors. In fact, it looks more like Mythic balance, don't go there.

If they wanted to balance the waaagh / ww situation, fine do that. If you wanted to nerf AoE detaunts, because of melee...find a way to nerf it there(don't nerf healer versions). Napalm / Mist - the same(no reason to take 20% off the entire class just because of ONE ABILITY!). Etc.

[Duukar]

Dok/wp aoe detaunt very good idea.

No, no it's not. The root of the problem is that there's still squishies happily bunny hopping around the front line (or in front). Dok/wp with medium armor just make the real issue more apparent. The aoe detaunt nerf affects them but it also affects "normal" doks/wps.

Balance isn't easy. Because it takes foresight and big picture perception and not all people are well attuned to that. With that said, this scythe type balance(just a big old swing and what sticks, sticks) don't do them any favors. In fact, it looks more like Mythic balance, don't go there.

If they wanted to balance the waaagh / ww situation, fine do that. If you wanted to nerf AoE detaunts, because of melee...find a way to nerf it there(don't nerf healer versions). Napalm / Mist - the same(no reason to take 20% off the entire class just because of ONE ABILITY!). Etc.

I dont get why they didnt mirror SM and BO with regard to CDR.. Soooo unbalanced as it is now...

[Kurocava]

I'm going to go wash my eyes after reading the last 28 pages.
It hasn't even been 24 hours since this patch came out and everyone is talking about these changes as if it has negatively impacted them.
Play the game for a week, after the patch. Test different builds, setups play styles.
Document your findings and review what you encountered in a week. Then we can use player base data on how these changes are actually affecting us instead of screaming about how you feel balance is swinging.

And to those few (many whoa thought we were mostly adults here) who just whine like an 11year old. Your post is flat out ignored and worth less than a fart in the wind. Sure it stinks but easily forgotten. Be more constructive, and speak with data instead of your feelings when it comes to gameplay changes. Maybe eat a snack before you post, or take a poop, or wank off or do all three. Whatever it takes to be constructive will both grab the attention of the decision makers and your fellow players.

YOU tell me how to make my BiS SnB and my BiS 2h Blork work now man!!!!!

All we have is a WS buff that separates us from the far superior Chosen and even the BG has a spot in the ST party in city and Ranked.... Blorks can literally do nothing that another tank cant do better and they gave our mirror a BUFFED VERSION of WAHHHHGGGG....

We have no identity anymore and won't have guaranteed spots in ANY part of game play.. Or you tell me how to fix this myself man.. ive got 100s and 100s of hours sunk into this toon and im LOST.

for someone with 100's and 100s of hours please do tell me that ability wasn't the only reason you played your class. You know just as much as I do that the might green beast known as the Black Orc is one mean green machine, and not that of a one-trick pony. Be that of the might orc and adapt to your situation homie! If you loved the Black Orc before these changes I truly hope you love it still. 100's of hours is alot of commitment to anything and you surely don't sound like a 1 trick pony! Show the warbands of RoR why your green buldge is so massive! do it!

[Wushi]

In any other paid game the head class balance developer would be fired instantly