Patch Notes 20/05/2021

[Powell]

Over/under on how much of this is gonna get lost in tool tip updates and reverted as a "bug" when it was actually just forgotten/bad implementation?

Just like engi/magus turrets lol.


Btw does "Hold The Line" still apply a 5% ranged dmg reduction stacking up to 3 times? Tool tip doesn't say for me still but I thought that was a change brought about months ago. Does it for anyone else? Is this too, a bug?

[Naelar]

Skillwise it is even, but having both these abilities. But there is still a huge difference when they are placed on different archtypes.

Order now brings CDR and CDI on 2 classes that can work together and an added bonus you have aoe interrupt aswell.
Destro has to bring 4 classes for the same affect mSH and choppa and 2 guard bots on top of that.

So there might be balance in these specific abilities, but no way there is balance in composition. With this patch if 2 equal skilled wb goes head to head order wins 100% time.

if ppl really looking for balance, proper way is to remove chop fasta, but bring choppas to the the same level as slayrs, return waaagh to borks. as for now just gutted borks like this makes ZERO sense at all.

This is my very same idea. If you really care about balance, give back BO cdr, so that BO/SM have it. Remove cdr from choppa and replace it with rampage. Remove also choppa pull from choppa, or give it to another order dps class. THIS would be balance.

This would flood the forum with Order tears. (but it would be more balanced)

[Elvicof]

Seems it is only apples and oranges when talking about order specific abilities. Your ability to see balance clearly is hindered by having your head up you ass.

No, because CD reducer is nowhere comparable to Rampage. CD reducer is by far one of the best abilities in the game, Rampage is just something Destropriders love to hold up as a false argument.

Apples to oranges because the CD reducers (added to BOs on RoR) were imbalanced (2 on Destro vs 1 on Order).

Destro still has tons of other advantages like a 360 ranged AOE debuff for their core nuker class, only viable pulls, 9-10 speed buffs vs Order's 3-4, group AA boosts, AOE KD, and so on. Rampage can be compared to those.

Agree that the CDR should be balanced, but they way they handled this utterly ****.

And you just proved my point about you balancing skills by listing abilities from 1 side, but none the other way.

[Bloodmasked]

Realistically chalice dok only has 4 tactics to choose from.

AOE detaunt, 160 willpower, AP pump, group cleanse.

Why nerf their core detaunt? Please add more tactics so that I have a reason to not take AOE detaunt and something else instead if you think its too strong. Not just cripple the class, it is pointless to do balance by nerfing and buffing here and there. Make classes better, not stronger or weaker.

The DPS/Shield changes are meaningless fyi. There is no point to consider dual wield dok as "dps", I think a "dps" chosen/bg/borc can do more damage than it.

Who runs willpower tact on a healer

Doks do because they only have 4 useful tactics to choose from.

[Kurocava]

I'm going to go wash my eyes after reading the last 28 pages.
It hasn't even been 24 hours since this patch came out and everyone is talking about these changes as if it has negatively impacted them.
Play the game for a week, after the patch. Test different builds, setups play styles.
Document your findings and review what you encountered in a week. Then we can use player base data on how these changes are actually affecting us instead of screaming about how you feel balance is swinging.

And to those few (many whoa thought we were mostly adults here) who just whine like an 11year old. Your post is flat out ignored and worth less than a fart in the wind. Sure it stinks but easily forgotten. Be more constructive, and speak with data instead of your feelings when it comes to gameplay changes. Maybe eat a snack before you post, or take a poop, or wank off or do all three. Whatever it takes to be constructive will both grab the attention of the decision makers and your fellow players.

[kirraha]

Closer look? It's bad patch overall more bad than good. I'm fine with the even number of skills for order/destro being 1 to 1 or 2 to 2 but we all know rampage won't be coming to destro. So this you guys have two skills argument is childish at best. That tactic was the only good thing in the boss tree outside of our KD being shoehorned into it on another bad decision. Does it have to be a CD reducer no. But it shouldn't be changed from useful to worthless in one move.

Changes that should have happened is some help on kotbs option for 2H

Alternate changes to Waaagh - AoE armor debuff - Yeah i know this been shot down over and over but it would mirrior SM as they deal in elemental damage and have a luxury of AoE debuff for it.

If you actually think BO is useless now because they nerfed the self morale pump and removed the CD decreased tactic but gave it a Weapon skill and Toughness buff to group members (which is big btw) then you have no clue how to play a BO.

NO! The problem is that they TOOK it from us and GAVE IT TO OUR MIRROR!!!!!

SM don't even need waste a tactic for their ''Waaaaaaagh'' either. Totally balanced

[Atropik]

Im not the best expert when it comes to morale pumping and pug wb clashes, but nerfing all those tactics and abilities and giving the best moral pump this game has ever seen to a single clas at the same time - doesnt look like a wonderful idea.

And besides, sm now can use his interrupt every 5 seconds, right?

[Alubert]

I like this patch.
Dok/wp aoe detaunt very good idea.
Sh was too op so nerf is good.
Morale pump very nice.
BO cd reduce = less brinless aoe in the game = good for game. Maybe bring back to BO "Tree hit combo" to snb spec now?
Remove chopa fasta and SM WW and will be even better (ofc slayer rampage too).
Bring back chosen old CS and super punt on snb tanks spec with old 10 sec cd and will be good.

[Powell]

I'm going to go wash my eyes after reading the last 28 pages.
It hasn't even been 24 hours since this patch came out and everyone is talking about these changes as if it has negatively impacted them.
Play the game for a week, after the patch. Test different builds, setups play styles.
Document your findings and review what you encountered in a week. Then we can use player base data on how these changes are actually affecting us instead of screaming about how you feel balance is swinging.

And to those few (many whoa thought we were mostly adults here) who just whine like an 11year old. Your post is flat out ignored and worth less than a fart in the wind. Sure it stinks but easily forgotten. Be more constructive, and speak with data instead of your feelings when it comes to gameplay changes. Maybe eat a snack before you post, or take a poop, or wank off or do all three. Whatever it takes to be constructive will both grab the attention of the decision makers and your fellow players.

I agree with you but honestly the tone of the forums comes from the top.

Changes on this server usually take a long time, especially if something is poorly implemented. Like when bane shield affected your entire warband. It took a month to fix the issue and a lot of us have played on this server long enough to know when we are gonna have to deal with some bullshit for an extended period of time.

Just like it took about a month after SW rework for BHA to stop critting for like 3k on a 3 stack. Things seem quick to change and slow to smooth out and people just don't wanna deal with that at the end of the work day. It should be a symbiotic relationship between beta testers and devs (if they truly want our feedback) but even constructive write outs get easily dismissed (viewtopic.php?t=45268) so I can see where some of the frustration comes from.


If one of these changes turns out to be bullshit, then we will have to deal with it for a while. I don't want anyone on order or destro to feel like they got beat by unavoidable mechanics instead of skill.


We shall see how it goes. But the sentiment works both ways. I get where they come from, it can be frustrating. Especially when being constructive results in feeling like youre talking to a wall.

[Duukar]

I'm going to go wash my eyes after reading the last 28 pages.
It hasn't even been 24 hours since this patch came out and everyone is talking about these changes as if it has negatively impacted them.
Play the game for a week, after the patch. Test different builds, setups play styles.
Document your findings and review what you encountered in a week. Then we can use player base data on how these changes are actually affecting us instead of screaming about how you feel balance is swinging.

And to those few (many whoa thought we were mostly adults here) who just whine like an 11year old. Your post is flat out ignored and worth less than a fart in the wind. Sure it stinks but easily forgotten. Be more constructive, and speak with data instead of your feelings when it comes to gameplay changes. Maybe eat a snack before you post, or take a poop, or wank off or do all three. Whatever it takes to be constructive will both grab the attention of the decision makers and your fellow players.

YOU tell me how to make my BiS SnB and my BiS 2h Blork work now man!!!!!

All we have is a WS buff that separates us from the far superior Chosen and even the BG has a spot in the ST party in city and Ranked.... Blorks can literally do nothing that another tank cant do better and they gave our mirror a BUFFED VERSION of WAHHHHGGGG....

We have no identity anymore and won't have guaranteed spots in ANY part of game play.. Or you tell me how to fix this myself man.. ive got 100s and 100s of hours sunk into this toon and im LOST.