The Anti-Destro Patch and its Discontents

[Naelar]

so 2020 when it was 1 star Altdorf after Altdorf and record of 27 Des City wins in a row, then it was never balance, all we Order heard then was: Git Gud

Which 2020 were you living in? What I remember from that summer is IC being pushed daily, sometimes faster than the cooldown, which would reset the campaign instead of starting a city siege. But, hey, feel free to create your own truth...

Summer maybe. But what about the time from, lets say august/september till march/april 2021? I do remember Altdorf after Altdorf and destro stomping order whenever they want...
Typical for destro players to have such a short memory loss and start whining when order is in favour for a few weeks

Not whining at all. Just pointing out facts that single faction players want to ignore/avoid.

So, how about the last two months? IC being pushed daily, rarely above 2*, while Altdorf has been at 5 for over a week, and for most of the last two months, except when order logs to destro alts to push a 5* Altdorf. This is your idea of 'balance'??

Edit: and stop with the 'typical destro player' bullshit. I see things from both sides (as a lot of ppl here do). If you have a problem with what I post, try addressing the points I make instead of going 'destro, blah blah blah'.

[Aquila228]

This game was never about balance. Live was unbalances af, however it was always fun anyways. This server's class balance was always depending on which side "balancers" were playing on more often. However, the problem now is not about balance. It's about a mindless pugs who don't want to push keeps, forts, unable to defend, unable to learn the basics of their classes etc. Nowadays organized guilds are playing Order, when they'll get bored from 1 star IC and empty zones, they'll roll Destro, and we'll have 1 star Altdorf and crying dwarves in the bushes. It was always like this, learn to play, upgrade your gear and eventually you will be on the winning side (if that is what you desire).
This server has gone through everything: immortal WLs, broken mSH's with fps crushing bounce, 1shot AMs etc etc, forget about balance, find yourself some fun things to do or go play fortnite. No point of creating another drama which will get you nowhere.
Summer is coming, and summer is always time for gankers and small scale fights, so be prepared

[Sundowner]

Which 2020 were you living in? What I remember from that summer is IC being pushed daily, sometimes faster than the cooldown, which would reset the campaign instead of starting a city siege. But, hey, feel free to create your own truth...

Summer maybe. But what about the time from, lets say august/september till march/april 2021? I do remember Altdorf after Altdorf and destro stomping order whenever they want...
Typical for destro players to have such a short memory loss and start whining when order is in favour for a few weeks

Not whining at all. Just pointing out facts that single faction players want to ignore/avoid.

So, how about the last two months? IC being pushed daily, rarely above 2*, while Altdorf has been at 5 for over a week, and for most of the last two months, except when order logs to destro alts to push a 5* Altdorf. This is your idea of 'balance'??

Edit: and stop with the 'typical destro player' bullshit. I see things from both sides (as a lot of ppl here do). If you have a problem with what I post, try addressing the points I make instead of going 'destro, blah blah blah'.

City pushes are not indication of balance, they are indication of population numbers and/or which sides top guilds play, this is literally no argument for not balancing some big advantages destro had for years.

Before you call me order prider, I play both sides and don't think that this patch is perfect and was not maybe too heavyhanded to destro. Probably devs will give Borc some good utility instead of waaagh and tone down SM.

[Sulorie]

Before you call me order prider, I play both sides and don't think that this patch is perfect and was not maybe too heavyhanded to destro. Probably devs will give Borc some good utility instead of waaagh and tone down SM.

Toning down SM doesn't help, because it's fine, that they have CDR.
Nothing you could give BO other that CDR in exchange for something else would fix it. Obviously with the removal of CDR from choppa.
There was, at least it seems to me, only focus on the apparent imbalance - 2vs1 CDR - and no thought on the plethora of consequences it will have, tbh this idea should have died on the drawing board.

[mongothebarbarian]

The patch is fine other then a few things such as:
Whispering Winds still interrupting
White Lion morale pump
AM realm-wide morale pump
Deafening Bellow *still* an m2
Nerfing a DoK tactic no one uses and slapping a balance seal of approval on shield DoK
15ft aoe hot is a poor compensation for nerfing one of two iconic 13 year old abilities of which is now an issue because Gravord and Zarbix complained on stream.

People have played with a custom bo ability for years while Order suffered with trash Whispering Winds and yet no one thought maybe having to hit someone and giving them free immunity was bad? I am against mirroring things and Whispering Winds was a cooldown reduction before even Chop Fasta was so it made no sense to give Black Orc one on top of that.

[mubbl]

Before you call me order prider, I play both sides and don't think that this patch is perfect and was not maybe too heavyhanded to destro. Probably devs will give Borc some good utility instead of waaagh and tone down SM.

Toning down SM doesn't help, because it's fine, that they have CDR.
Nothing you could give BO other that CDR in exchange for something else would fix it. Obviously with the removal of CDR from choppa.
There was, at least it seems to me, only focus on the apparent imbalance - 2vs1 CDR - and no thought on the plethora of consequences it will have, tbh this idea should have died on the drawing board.

was it ever different for ror?

[Naelar]

Summer maybe. But what about the time from, lets say august/september till march/april 2021? I do remember Altdorf after Altdorf and destro stomping order whenever they want...
Typical for destro players to have such a short memory loss and start whining when order is in favour for a few weeks

Not whining at all. Just pointing out facts that single faction players want to ignore/avoid.

So, how about the last two months? IC being pushed daily, rarely above 2*, while Altdorf has been at 5 for over a week, and for most of the last two months, except when order logs to destro alts to push a 5* Altdorf. This is your idea of 'balance'??

Edit: and stop with the 'typical destro player' bullshit. I see things from both sides (as a lot of ppl here do). If you have a problem with what I post, try addressing the points I make instead of going 'destro, blah blah blah'.

City pushes are not indication of balance, they are indication of population numbers and/or which sides top guilds play, this is literally no argument for not balancing some big advantages destro had for years.

Before you call me order prider, I play both sides and don't think that this patch is perfect and was not maybe too heavyhanded to destro. Probably devs will give Borc some good utility instead of waaagh and tone down SM.

Why are city pushes not indicative of 'balance'? Order cyrbabies have used that as an excuse since ive come back to this game. I guess it only matters when it fits your narrative.
Again, try addressing points that have been made instead of resorting to the usual 'git gud' bullshit.

[Sofong]

lock a zone every half an hour, 1 star IC 3 times a day, is this normal? idk. enjoyable? i hope so, good luck to order player finding any competitions anyway.

[Lithenir]

Which 2020 were you living in? What I remember from that summer is IC being pushed daily, sometimes faster than the cooldown, which would reset the campaign instead of starting a city siege. But, hey, feel free to create your own truth...

Summer maybe. But what about the time from, lets say august/september till march/april 2021? I do remember Altdorf after Altdorf and destro stomping order whenever they want...
Typical for destro players to have such a short memory loss and start whining when order is in favour for a few weeks

Not whining at all. Just pointing out facts that single faction players want to ignore/avoid.

So, how about the last two months? IC being pushed daily, rarely above 2*, while Altdorf has been at 5 for over a week, and for most of the last two months, except when order logs to destro alts to push a 5* Altdorf. This is your idea of 'balance'??

Edit: and stop with the 'typical destro player' bullshit. I see things from both sides (as a lot of ppl here do). If you have a problem with what I post, try addressing the points I make instead of going 'destro, blah blah blah'.

The point is, everytime order has the higher population for more than 2 weeks people are complaining about population or balance. The other 10 months of the year, when destro has the higher population, almost no one is complaining.
I give you the last two months, but are you still ignoring the other 6 months I mentioned?
And on your edit. I adressed the facts you made and yet you haven't said a thing about the time I mentioned.

And I also have chars on both factions.
I give you one thing, the population right now is quite boring since I like my order chars much more and hate city

[Sundowner]

Not whining at all. Just pointing out facts that single faction players want to ignore/avoid.

So, how about the last two months? IC being pushed daily, rarely above 2*, while Altdorf has been at 5 for over a week, and for most of the last two months, except when order logs to destro alts to push a 5* Altdorf. This is your idea of 'balance'??

Edit: and stop with the 'typical destro player' bullshit. I see things from both sides (as a lot of ppl here do). If you have a problem with what I post, try addressing the points I make instead of going 'destro, blah blah blah'.

City pushes are not indication of balance, they are indication of population numbers and/or which sides top guilds play, this is literally no argument for not balancing some big advantages destro had for years.

Before you call me order prider, I play both sides and don't think that this patch is perfect and was not maybe too heavyhanded to destro. Probably devs will give Borc some good utility instead of waaagh and tone down SM.

Why are city pushes not indicative of 'balance'? Order cyrbabies have used that as an excuse since ive come back to this game. I guess it only matters when it fits your narrative.
Again, try addressing points that have been made instead of resorting to the usual 'git gud' bullshit.

What should we care what order crybabies cry about? I personally never used it, so tone down with putting words in my mouth. I never said git gud or other forum drama warrior things. But two things were clear for everyone- 2cdr vs 1 is not balanced, nor is one side pumping much more morale than other.