Patch Notes 28/05/2021

[Kpi]

41 pages of ppl trying to minimize the ability/impact of NB, claiming nobody would ever use the conditionals, or long sequences etc etc. People here claim they only ever use it for small sequences like pots. At the same time the world is ending without the addon being there.

If the claims are true and ppl only ever used it for tiny stuff then it shouldnt be a problem if its gone right? But no, the world is ending, pop will implode without it, the server will die. Its the end of the world.

Do you guys know how that sounds? Like you are all lying through your teeth...

I playe my WP with book and with shield.

With Book i have only 2 NB: Group heals (2 skills) and ST heals (3 skills) and +8 skills (Detaunt/Martys/Cleanse/Rez) are not in NB buttons. I can "compress" my more usually keys in 6 buttons, so i can play comfortable without breaking my hand to heal my group. If "split" the NB, i will need 5 extra buttons, and this is not comfortable to play.

I only play with shield for citys when need to lead the WB or for Ranked. I only used 2 NB again, and +8 skills without NB. Same case here, is not comforatble play without it.

A lot of players can play with bugs, with low PC perfomance and with lag, but they want play comfortable.

This is not the end of the times, but the people want play "comfortable" (this is a game, dont forget it) and if the game is not comfortable, they will move to another game. If a lot of NB players leave, u will not enemys to play against it, so you will not play too. Look the population now... is less than 50% compared to last week.

[Harrwin]

All this hangaround NB demonizers, proudly joining in on an ignorant mob fed by misinformation.

Shameful outing of this wanabe competitive community evolving into yet another toxic-trollish pocket entity on the internet.

I used NB along with many others as a convenience tool to have a cleaner ui and sequence certain skills, without forcing myself into finger acrobatics triggiring a tendor tear.
Nothing I could have not done setting up my razor mouse/keyboard in combination with buffhead and enemy.

Addons like enemy/buffhead/NB and others, if setup right, might give your opponent an edge when yourself don't use them, but It was your choice not to so.
They are available for everyone, some players have even created custom ui for your lazy ass and others wasted their time on forum posts explaining everything.
There is a website setup for addons for this game, it's not like you have to dive into the darknet and download some shady scripts.
If vanilla ui is your thing, then go for it, but don't turn your questionable reasons into hate towards the others that modify it with the available tools.

I've had many players in my warbands, some of them swear on vanilla because of less game performance issues and still played better then most of you and better then people using all kind of addons.
So there is that, you shouldn't put us into a box with cheaters and exploiters.

What missinformation man? You pulling a tendon rip for 5 keys? Most classes dont require that many keybinds anyways, and yes its a cheating addon, its not quality of life. I know how it works and i have seen it work in ranked, when a certain player streamed. He pressed max 2 buttons, while severing/CCing, using positionals, without thinking, just spam the darn NB button, plus sequencing, firing up your rotation without pressure, no human error. How in the world do you call yourself a pvper when the addon does half the job.

What classes do you play? I can only think of a few that are that mindless, and I have gotten most to 40.

When someone says they know how something works and seen it done while someone is streaming it is as laughable as my 14 year old say she knows how the car works and has seen us drive so she should be able to. The car really does half the work.

For you to say NB does half the job without ever using it is pretty ballsy. 90% of "the job" is finding the right target, and assisting or doing your class job. Certain classes positioning on the battlefield is critical. NB just helps you with the combos when you decide what to do, provided you (not someone else) have set up your rotations properly. It doesn't "drive" for you, and doesn't guarantee the optimal ability.

For you to be playing since 2018 and not even try NB is telling.

You are selectively reading my post i see, you missed the part where i checked the addon out and also i said that iv seen people playing in RANKED with the addon, they where streaming and you can easly see the effects, more than one dude was streaming with NB, i saw enough of how it works, besides knowing all the functions, which include: conditional checks (fire the best ability for the best situation, including intrerupting channels), sequencer (fire up your rotation without stress or human error). If all this is normal for you, o boy, how do you play other games where you cant cheat with an addon like this? Yes alot of mmos have macros but none of those do what NB does, not even close. Again how do you even call yourself a pvper when the addon does the job for you?

[Onigokko0101]

All this hangaround NB demonizers, proudly joining in on an ignorant mob fed by misinformation.

Shameful outing of this wanabe competitive community evolving into yet another toxic-trollish pocket entity on the internet.

I used NB along with many others as a convenience tool to have a cleaner ui and sequence certain skills, without forcing myself into finger acrobatics triggiring a tendor tear.
Nothing I could have not done setting up my razor mouse/keyboard in combination with buffhead and enemy.

Addons like enemy/buffhead/NB and others, if setup right, might give your opponent an edge when yourself don't use them, but It was your choice not to so.
They are available for everyone, some players have even created custom ui for your lazy ass and others wasted their time on forum posts explaining everything.
There is a website setup for addons for this game, it's not like you have to dive into the darknet and download some shady scripts.
If vanilla ui is your thing, then go for it, but don't turn your questionable reasons into hate towards the others that modify it with the available tools.

I've had many players in my warbands, some of them swear on vanilla because of less game performance issues and still played better then most of you and better then people using all kind of addons.
So there is that, you shouldn't put us into a box with cheaters and exploiters.

What missinformation man? You pulling a tendon rip for 5 keys? Most classes dont require that many keybinds anyways, and yes its a cheating addon, its not quality of life. I know how it works and i have seen it work in ranked, when a certain player streamed. He pressed max 2 buttons, while severing/CCing, using positionals, without thinking, just spam the darn NB button, plus sequencing, firing up your rotation without pressure, no human error. How in the world do you call yourself a pvper when the addon does half the job.

What classes do you play? I can only think of a few that are that mindless, and I have gotten most to 40.

When someone says they know how something works and seen it done while someone is streaming it is as laughable as my 14 year old say she knows how the car works and has seen us drive so she should be able to. The car really does half the work.

For you to say NB does half the job without ever using it is pretty ballsy. 90% of "the job" is finding the right target, and assisting or doing your class job. Certain classes positioning on the battlefield is critical. NB just helps you with the combos when you decide what to do, provided you (not someone else) have set up your rotations properly. It doesn't "drive" for you, and doesn't guarantee the optimal ability.

For you to be playing since 2018 and not even try NB is telling.

Why is that telling for him? Not everyone wants something like that.

I never used it on live, and I have no used it here, and I dont exactly play classes that only require 1-2 buttons. My second highest rr is a BG.

People are hugely overreacting to this change. WIll you have more keybinds? YES. Thats pretty normal for an MMO though, and some classes really only need a few to begin with.

If it isnt a keybind issues, then what is it? because the other uses of NB can verge into the toxic territory as has been discussed.


Is it that you feel like you wont perform without soemthing to perform for you? In that case its once again a good choice. It will force people to be more aware of the abilities they are using, rather then spending time setting up a NB line to do it for you

[Tosher85]

auto interrupting channels is probably one of the more toxic stuff you can do with NB.
You can add a check to your Hard cc, so you wont fire it off when the enemy has immunities.
You can auto pot when your health is low.
You can check if the Debuffs of your party members are on a target so you wont waste a GCD with double debuffing and can burst instead.

I believe these are already enough arguments against NB. But tbh It probably didnt have such a big difference in real world situations :^)
Ofc there are also quite a few arguments in favor of NB - which have been stated before so I dont have to write them down again.

Noone reasonable(good player) would use 1st and 3d of your statements to gimp themselves. Its all about understanding why it gimps u while in the rotation. 2nd statement is something that u dont need like at all (Doac, buffhead...) unless u r spaming cc on cd inside the rotation, lul. 4th is QoL thing, nothing more. But in general everyone had(addon is avaliable for everyone) this kind of advantge until it got "blocked". And now it will be a shady zone addon that will be used by some ppl, and its not only me saying this.

[anthiquery]

Apparently it’s time to make this game competitive, it’s about skill, which means you have to be responsive in good health and in full possession of all your means to play.
As for me, I am a person with a disability , some time ago I had a neurological problem I had completely lost the use of my hands and I could not walk either .
Now I can walk again and use my hands but more like before I am much less reactive than I was.
I used NerfedButtons it helped me a lot without using big conditions it allowed me to level my lack of responsiveness on the keyboard and to be able to have a little fun, it did not make me a living god who killed everything that moves, far away from there.

Seeing the direction that this game takes, since we are at the time of skill and responsiveness and competition it is necessary at this time that everyone has the same tool since competition there is.
In this case, you should ban all addons on an equal footing. This way you can even get rid of people with vision problems or concentration disorders too.

So yes I will continue to play some time to make myself overkill and overfarm to the delight of those who are strong and healthy. Until I’m tired enough, I’ll try to play tetris , noob unskill that I am.
I’ll let the real super strong players have fun between them as it should. Against my heart anyway because I really like this game.

Anyway thanks for everything all that fun and that nice community.

Dok Yliana / WP Redtovarich / WH Perfide / Zeal Playon.

[Keula]

With Book i have only 2 NB: Group heals (2 skills) and ST heals (3 skills) and +8 skills (Detaunt/Martys/Cleanse/Rez) are not in NB buttons. I can "compress" my more usually keys in 6 buttons, so i can play comfortable without breaking my hand to heal my group. If "split" the NB, i will need 5 extra buttons, and this is not comfortable to play.

So you use NB to have 5 skills turned to 2 but get rid of it you need 5 extra buttons because apparently 5-2=5? Also Heal WP/Dok is THE easiest class to play in the game with the least amount of buttons needed(Aoe sorc might have less) and I just can't see the point of using NB as you can have all the relevant information on the Enemy group overlay when configured properly.

[sunshinefuntime]

What missinformation man? You pulling a tendon rip for 5 keys? Most classes dont require that many keybinds anyways, and yes its a cheating addon, its not quality of life. I know how it works and i have seen it work in ranked, when a certain player streamed. He pressed max 2 buttons, while severing/CCing, using positionals, without thinking, just spam the darn NB button, plus sequencing, firing up your rotation without pressure, no human error. How in the world do you call yourself a pvper when the addon does half the job.

What classes do you play? I can only think of a few that are that mindless, and I have gotten most to 40.

When someone says they know how something works and seen it done while someone is streaming it is as laughable as my 14 year old say she knows how the car works and has seen us drive so she should be able to. The car really does half the work.

For you to say NB does half the job without ever using it is pretty ballsy. 90% of "the job" is finding the right target, and assisting or doing your class job. Certain classes positioning on the battlefield is critical. NB just helps you with the combos when you decide what to do, provided you (not someone else) have set up your rotations properly. It doesn't "drive" for you, and doesn't guarantee the optimal ability.

For you to be playing since 2018 and not even try NB is telling.

You are selectively reading my post i see, you missed the part where i checked the addon out and also i said that iv seen people playing in RANKED with the addon, they where streaming and you can easly see the effects, more than one dude was streaming with NB, i saw enough of how it works, besides knowing all the functions, which include: conditional checks (fire the best ability for the best situation, including intrerupting channels), sequencer (fire up your rotation without stress or human error). If all this is normal for you, o boy, how do you play other games where you cant cheat with an addon like this? Yes alot of mmos have macros but none of those do what NB does, not even close. Again how do you even call yourself a pvper when the addon does the job for you?

Nerfed buttons did literally 35% of what you said it could supposedly do.

Thankfully its not hard to code your own version of what NB used to be. am i supposed to use this xd emoji?

[saupreusse]

auto interrupting channels is probably one of the more toxic stuff you can do with NB.
You can add a check to your Hard cc, so you wont fire it off when the enemy has immunities.
You can auto pot when your health is low.
You can check if the Debuffs of your party members are on a target so you wont waste a GCD with double debuffing and can burst instead.

I believe these are already enough arguments against NB. But tbh It probably didnt have such a big difference in real world situations :^)
Ofc there are also quite a few arguments in favor of NB - which have been stated before so I dont have to write them down again.

Noone reasonable(good player) would use 1st and 3d of your statements to gimp themselves. Its all about understanding why it gimps u while in the rotation. 2nd statement is something that u dont need like at all (Doac, buffhead...) unless u r spaming cc on cd inside the rotation, lul. 4th is QoL thing, nothing more. But in general everyone had(addon is avaliable for everyone) this kind of advantge until it got "blocked". And now it will be a shady zone addon that will be used by some ppl, and its not only me saying this.

I just give examples of what ive encountered ingame. I for myself did use an immunity check on my hard cc but left it out of the rotation. It was very handy because then i could never accidentally waste cc on immune targets. Before that i always used buffhead and watched out for the immunity icons. It worked, but ofc sometimes i made mistakes because im not a robot. With nb i never wasted my cc again. Its just an example of possibly unfair advantage such a condition check gives you.
Another example is my heal debuff condition. It checked if the target had any of my parties heal debuffs on it and would avoid my own healdebuff in this case and turn to my burst abilities instead. I did the same for my armour debuff. Ofc i could have done the same using buffhead (which i did). But buffhead does not prevent me from human error. Nb on the other hand for sure does. Im not against macros by any means. But everyone whos saying that nb cant do shady stuff is a liar

[sunshinefuntime]

auto interrupting channels is probably one of the more toxic stuff you can do with NB.
You can add a check to your Hard cc, so you wont fire it off when the enemy has immunities.
You can auto pot when your health is low.
You can check if the Debuffs of your party members are on a target so you wont waste a GCD with double debuffing and can burst instead.

I believe these are already enough arguments against NB. But tbh It probably didnt have such a big difference in real world situations :^)
Ofc there are also quite a few arguments in favor of NB - which have been stated before so I dont have to write them down again.

Noone reasonable(good player) would use 1st and 3d of your statements to gimp themselves. Its all about understanding why it gimps u while in the rotation. 2nd statement is something that u dont need like at all (Doac, buffhead...) unless u r spaming cc on cd inside the rotation, lul. 4th is QoL thing, nothing more. But in general everyone had(addon is avaliable for everyone) this kind of advantge until it got "blocked". And now it will be a shady zone addon that will be used by some ppl, and its not only me saying this.

I just give examples of what ive encountered ingame. I for myself did use an immunity check on my hard cc but left it out of the rotation. It was very handy because then i could never accidentally waste cc on immune targets. Before that i always used buffhead and watched out for the immunity icons. It worked, but ofc sometimes i made mistakes because im not a robot. With nb i never wasted my cc again. Its just an example of possibly unfair advantage such a condition check gives you.
Another example is my heal debuff condition. It checked if the target had any of my parties heal debuffs on it and would avoid my own healdebuff in this case and turn to my burst abilities instead. I did the same for my armour debuff. Ofc i could have done the same using buffhead (which i did). But buffhead does not prevent me from human error. Nb on the other hand for sure does. Im not against macros by any means. But everyone whos saying that nb cant do shady stuff is a liar

But you can literally just create a new addon that does the exact same thing so long as you dont trigger the 3s GCD.

Why the gate keeping?

[krakatoag]

Spoiler:

auto interrupting channels is probably one of the more toxic stuff you can do with NB.
You can add a check to your Hard cc, so you wont fire it off when the enemy has immunities.
You can auto pot when your health is low.
You can check if the Debuffs of your party members are on a target so you wont waste a GCD with double debuffing and can burst instead.

I believe these are already enough arguments against NB. But tbh It probably didnt have such a big difference in real world situations :^)
Ofc there are also quite a few arguments in favor of NB - which have been stated before so I dont have to write them down again.

Noone reasonable(good player) would use 1st and 3d of your statements to gimp themselves. Its all about understanding why it gimps u while in the rotation. 2nd statement is something that u dont need like at all (Doac, buffhead...) unless u r spaming cc on cd inside the rotation, lul. 4th is QoL thing, nothing more. But in general everyone had(addon is avaliable for everyone) this kind of advantge until it got "blocked". And now it will be a shady zone addon that will be used by some ppl, and its not only me saying this.

I just give examples of what ive encountered ingame. I for myself did use an immunity check on my hard cc but left it out of the rotation. It was very handy because then i could never accidentally waste cc on immune targets. Before that i always used buffhead and watched out for the immunity icons. It worked, but ofc sometimes i made mistakes because im not a robot. With nb i never wasted my cc again. Its just an example of possibly unfair advantage such a condition check gives you.
Another example is my heal debuff condition. It checked if the target had any of my parties heal debuffs on it and would avoid my own healdebuff in this case and turn to my burst abilities instead. I did the same for my armour debuff. Ofc i could have done the same using buffhead (which i did). But buffhead does not prevent me from human error. Nb on the other hand for sure does. Im not against macros by any means. But everyone whos saying that nb cant do shady stuff is a liar

Immunity checks were never functional, ones checking for unstoppable, immovable, etc. At least they never worked for me or anyone else I knew who was using it, which is why I never thought NB was an issue.


Honestly baffles/scares me that someone who was "former staff" doesn't know this.