Patch Notes 28/05/2021

[Hugatsaga]

Unfortunately dont have time to read through 44 pages so my point might have been made before and I might be parroting someone who posted faster than me but oh well, might as well add my 2 cents anyway:

A lot of people are saying that cast sequence part of the NB was fine and only the part where you could set up artificial conditions was op. I disagree: theres several cases where basic cast sequence allows you to perform better, especially if you have lower awareness, game knowledge or slower reaction speed. For instance you can put conditional abilities such as Gut Ripper (strong ability but requires parry) and conditional finishers such as Guillotine (requires target to be below 50%) in front of your other abilities in NB string (no NB conditions needed) and you'd instantly perform better. Those abilities just fire off instantly when conditions trigger as long as you keep spamming button with NB string, no situational awareness needed.

Also putting other abilities behind your spammables (for instance putting slice and EB after AW when playing as WE) allows you pretty much ignore cooldown increasing abilities such as Shatter Limbs while normally you'd have to pay some attention to your debuffs when facing slayer. Ofc you can track shatter limbs etc with buffhead aura etc but even then you have to pay some attention. Before with NB anyone could just spam the same key and perform pretty much optimally when CD increased (probably even better than highter skilled player who plays without NB) because the 2nd and 3rd best skills behind your spammable just fire off automatically as long as you keep hitting your NB string button. With NB gone a player with better awareness and reaction speed comes out on top in that kind of situation now that the crutch is gone, which is exactly how it should be in my opinion.

That being said with NB you can make good case for people with disabilities though but other than that I'd say getting rid of NB was good decision.

[alxnam]

Same for me haven't logged in since NB changes. I am a casual player and NB helped my IB with basic rotation. Going to pause for now.

[Earthcake]

I find it quite strange that you speak so boldly, here and in your blog post, when this perception you have of why people differ with regard to NB is exactly that -- your perception; the fact that you recognise it's a motivating factor for you but then go on to project it on to all other players seems quite bizarre. You also paint essentially everyone as a liar or "pushing [their] agenda", and I suppose we're to assume you're the sole exception to that. It's odd to me that you write in such a reactionary way and yet seem to think you're a voice of reason; you certainly don't come across to me as someone genuinely interested in hearing the (non-ridiculous) arguments against NB.

I can't comment on whether immunity check conditionals were functional recently, but I'm more inclined to believe Saupreusse, particularly after his edited explanation. If he's right, I guess that winky face accusation of lying (seeing the pattern here?) will have to be retracted.

I've picked out your comment, but it exemplifies the approach of trying to brand everyone who disagrees as either extremely biased, lying or ignorant. Much has been made -- understandably and rightly so -- of how people who used NB have been ostracised and attacked; I think it's worth pointing out that those in the contra-NB group have received similar.

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As usual, the thread has mostly devolved into the same points just getting repeated ad nauseam, or the same posts getting +1ed, whether or not they've already been countered or deconstructed previously. I'd be genuinely interested in seeing a breakdown of arguments for and against; as far as I can tell, the main arguments against the change that have some degree of consensus are 'consequentialist' in nature, i.e., concerns about a possible -ve effect on population, NB offshoots being 'pushed underground', -ve effect on people with certain disabilities etc, rather than countering the actual reason for the change as stated by the devs. I wonder whether a separate thread attempting to counter that specific argument would be helpful, if mods agreed.

Well, you said you read my blog post, then you know I include myself in.

I do not comment on everything, only the REALLY obvious BS that everyone should see in the 1st 2sec of reading IF they ever used the addon.

After 45 pages, I only saw ONE comment that made sense vs NB. And the fact that most people DO NOT use this argument show that they don't understand how NB worked at all and are just parroting things they've heard.
Exactly like when told that you cannot cast more than 8 abilities in a 10sec window they answer "yes you can" or "just use less abilities duh!", when obviously you can't cast more and since when using less abilities is a good answer to improvement in that case ? Would be like saying "oh that's actually a good thing BO lost waaagh, I have one less ability to cast!".
So yes, using less abilities COULD be an answer but ONLY IF some of them weren't required to perform at the same level as any other tank in the game.

I'm biased towards NB, I know it, and do not present arguments against it, which is kinda lying yes, therefore I include myself in the liers camp.
But at least I do not just plain make up false "facts" to push my point.

[abezverkhiy]

After 45 pages, I only saw ONE comment that made sense vs NB. And the fact that most people DO NOT use this argument show that they don't understand how NB worked at all and are just parroting things they've heard.

Out of curiosity what is that one comment?

P.s. I support NB back.

[Earthcake]

After 45 pages, I only saw ONE comment that made sense vs NB. And the fact that most people DO NOT use this argument show that they don't understand how NB worked at all and are just parroting things they've heard.

Out of curiosity what is that one comment?

P.s. I support NB back.

Sorry but I'm too lazy/don't wanna waste time to reread all 45 pages, but it was how NB helps "bypass" cooldown increaser.

It would still be fairly easy to bypass even without NB, but nothing can be said against that : NB helped vs cooldown increasers.

[abezverkhiy]

After 45 pages, I only saw ONE comment that made sense vs NB. And the fact that most people DO NOT use this argument show that they don't understand how NB worked at all and are just parroting things they've heard.

Out of curiosity what is that one comment?

P.s. I support NB back.

Sorry but I'm too lazy/don't wanna waste time to reread all 45 pages, but it was how NB helps "bypass" cooldown increaser.

It would still be fairly easy to bypass even without NB, but nothing can be said against that : NB helped vs cooldown increasers.

Oh yeah I remember seeing that post. Well to me it is not NB helping cooldown increasers but rather the increasers being poorly coded. And that is solvable by patching them. But looks like they decided to solve a headache problem with a guillotine not paracetamol.

[Parallell86]

Is it allowed to use aimbot in counter strike just because youre **** 11 years old?
Is it allowed because its your **** girlfriend?

If its not for you, dont play it.

You know perfectly well it doesnt equate to the same thing.
It isn't an "aimbot" and this isnt "counter strike"
If you wanted a better comparsion of what NB would be like in somehting like counter-strike, it could helpfully reload your gun after every shot wether you wanted to or not. That's kinda what it's like on this.
The fact that you can't articulate a line without swearing really does show something, perhaps that we should have more sensible discussions.
and yes, I think having family built communities where everyone is enjoying themslves is much better than people screaming about aimbots and swearing.
If the honest answer is "well don't play then" that's the answer. People won't and you won't have anybody left to fight against.

Swearing or not, deminish my post all you want. An addon that automise things intended for the player to do themselves is cheating in my eyes. Lastly, I dont think your kids and your girlfriend make up for the vast majority of the comunity. There will be players around, if they actually wanna play the game as intended.

**** **** ****. OMG now my post lack a valid point due to swearing.

[Delirio]

NB removed

this is best patch in ages !!

thank u

[Littleone]

Adapt to it. In live I didn't use and wasn't even aware of NB (I played SH, SW, WL). I started to use it in ROR it was a great help especially for SW stance dance. It felt nice on SH too since it is one of the a few classes that requires more than 15 abilities to be used in a fight. After playing for 3 years in RoR with NB I was annoyed as well like many of you people out there but it took a week to adapt to new reality and I believe I am even doing better without it. You can also buy mouses and keyboards with macros and extra reachable buttons as help. I think NB change is fine and just.

[steelblade93]

Is it allowed to use aimbot in counter strike just because youre **** 11 years old?
Is it allowed because its your **** girlfriend?

If its not for you, dont play it.

You know perfectly well it doesnt equate to the same thing.
It isn't an "aimbot" and this isnt "counter strike"
If you wanted a better comparsion of what NB would be like in somehting like counter-strike, it could helpfully reload your gun after every shot wether you wanted to or not. That's kinda what it's like on this.
The fact that you can't articulate a line without swearing really does show something, perhaps that we should have more sensible discussions.
and yes, I think having family built communities where everyone is enjoying themslves is much better than people screaming about aimbots and swearing.
If the honest answer is "well don't play then" that's the answer. People won't and you won't have anybody left to fight against.

Swearing or not, deminish my post all you want. An addon that automise things intended for the player to do themselves is cheating in my eyes. Lastly, I dont think your kids and your girlfriend make up for the vast majority of the comunity. There will be players around, if they actually wanna play the game as intended.

**** **** ****. OMG now my post lack a valid point due to swearing.

It does not change the fact that across the guild discord channels im memberships of, people are leaving or "taking a break" in droves.
about 20% of them have quit in the last week. Some in solidarity with disabled/disadvantaged players, some because thier family members cannot play, some because they simply don't agree with the change. People are also leaving because thier old dungeon/scenario team mates are leaving.
It is actually happening.
Arguing about what is/is not unfair really doesnt change that fact.
Personally I would like to play, but actually cannot.
My daughter has also decied to stop because she knows I cannot play.
Two of my guildies agreed and also stopped, and one of those has two kids and his wife that stopped because he stopped because of me.
That's seven people quitting because one person can't play. That's just in one guild on one discord server.
Out of those seven I was the only one using NB as far as I know. So it isn't really about whos using it and who isnt. People are quitting because thier friends or fellow members are being driven off.