Please Fix Debolstering

[Sinisterror]

And apparently they keep buffing strong classes like the WE for no reason and don't even explain why. Same they did with the SHs over 6 month.

Remember the small note in the last city patch?

"Damage procs are now affected by outgoing damage stats. After close examination of many old videos from live, it has been concluded that this is how they worked on the live servers. It also simplifies it all to handle them in same way as regular damage in this regard."

WEs witchbrew proc went up in damage by 20% ... I'm not joking. It's true. They didn't even answer the question what was changed regarding proccs and why.

You seem to miss, that they nerfed WB DMG before. Now they are just back to normal. It was a unnecessary nerf tbh.

I don't know which damage procs were affected by that change. They didn't tell us. On my BW and SW I didn't see any difference.

The WEs witchbrew however is higher now. 536 after patch to 449 pre-patch.

before patch:
https://ibb.co/87QD51f

after patch:
https://ibb.co/zVzPmZF

That's around 2300 damage only from witchbrew in that last picture. I was lucky that no kisses procced.

However, arguing that they were unnecessarily nefed back then and this buff was kind of deserved really blows my mind. How can you say "it was that way in the past or on live and just implement it, without looking at how these classes currently perform?". RoR is a lot different then live was.

I mean look at the last screenshot again. That's the damage from a high rr top gear SW. I mostly did less damage then she with throwing daggers and procs... How can you argue that this is fine?

You did about 1800 dmg with just BA in same time he did that 2k witchbrew dmg. This change is BUFF TO ALL CLASSESS THAT EVEN HAVE WPN WITH PROC DMG. Just to act like this is only WE change is baffling to me when it literally affects most classess if not all in game(more dmg on career mechanic dmg procs and tactic procs)

[Husti]

You seem to miss, that they nerfed WB DMG before. Now they are just back to normal. It was a unnecessary nerf tbh.

I don't know which damage procs were affected by that change. They didn't tell us. On my BW and SW I didn't see any difference.

The WEs witchbrew however is higher now. 536 after patch to 449 pre-patch.

before patch:
https://ibb.co/87QD51f

after patch:
https://ibb.co/zVzPmZF

That's around 2300 damage only from witchbrew in that last picture. I was lucky that no kisses procced.

However, arguing that they were unnecessarily nefed back then and this buff was kind of deserved really blows my mind. How can you say "it was that way in the past or on live and just implement it, without looking at how these classes currently perform?". RoR is a lot different then live was.

I mean look at the last screenshot again. That's the damage from a high rr top gear SW. I mostly did less damage then she with throwing daggers and procs... How can you argue that this is fine?

You did about 1800 dmg with just BA in same time he did that 2k witchbrew dmg. This change is BUFF TO ALL CLASSESS THAT EVEN HAVE WPN WITH PROC DMG. Just to act like this is only WE change is baffling to me when it literally affects most classess if not all in game(more dmg on career mechanic dmg procs and tactic procs)

Ey, you need at least 3 gdc and a lot of AP to even apply 3x BHA. Most of the time they evade 1-2 BHA so you need 4-5 GCD to even apply that. Most of the skirmisher SW damage comes from that ability. It's not just a proc, it's their main damage abilities.

Did you even realize that we are comparing the ranged damage of a "ranged dps" class with that of a - supposed to be - "melee dps" class here?

Even if it is a buff to all classes that have weapon procs... it actually isn't. Glass arrow of the SW is a damage proc and is not affected. Flames of rhuin of the BW is a weapon proc and is not affected. So which classes were affected? Melee dps classes? They really needed that buff... right...

[Sulorie]

I mean look at the last screenshot again. That's the damage from a high rr top gear SW. I mostly did less damage then she with throwing daggers and procs... How can you argue that this is fine?

The high mitigation tells me, that the WE wasn't specced for max dmg and more like solo sustain build with higher defenses. Those specs pick WB because you don't need as much STR as possible.
The odds are stacked against you in a fight against this kind of build.

[Grock]

There is no reason we should have to fight people whose stats are most-likely capped, even if debolstered, and get no RP for it. These high levels in the starting zone are part of the event, I accept that, but why are we doubly punished by having an almost impossible to win fight and getting nothing for it if we win?

From what i've noticed debolstered stats are definitely not capped and aren't even particularly good, hard to say without knowing how they handle them, buti cant say i felt very powerful.
Marauders and black orcs were absolutely unbeatable for me, and lvl7 zealot was able to outheal my red zone dmg spam + an AM who was healing me and helping with damage a bit

That said though, the huge issue with debolster is that it doesn't disable and doesn't reduce damage procs from weapons which means my normal debolstered attacks hit for like 120 damage, and then i get a damage proc that chunks the target for 500 dmg.
Similarly some tactics continue to work even when debolstered, though they are nerfed accordingly so its less of an issue.

In case of renown gain - im not sure how exactly it works, but i've noticed that i was getting almost T4-worthy amount of renown from killing even T1 players while debolstered, so i suppose the gain is just based on your own RR/rank?

[Husti]

I mean look at the last screenshot again. That's the damage from a high rr top gear SW. I mostly did less damage then she with throwing daggers and procs... How can you argue that this is fine?

The high mitigation tells me, that the WE wasn't specced for max dmg and more like solo sustain build with higher defenses. Those specs pick WB because you don't need as much STR as possible.
The odds are stacked against you in a fight against this kind of build.

Yes, ofc that is a def build WE. That makes it even worse. Full def and still that damage. Another reason why this buff was wrong.

Now they have more damage in full def builds which are already super strong with that 600 absorb after crit, the new reggen keg and what else they have.

I don't expect to win with a ranged SW vs a WE but my "ranged damage" should be at least higher. Im running high BAL / WS build and still can't hurt them because of absorb and insane mitigation. I have around 58% armor pierce with weaponskill and they still mitigate 50% of my damage. You can do absolutely nothing to get through that toughness and they still hit you hard because kisses and wb are pretty much indepenant from strength.

Most classes sacrifice a lot of their damage when going full def. Not so WE and they just buffed that more.

[Sinisterror]

I don't know which damage procs were affected by that change. They didn't tell us. On my BW and SW I didn't see any difference.

The WEs witchbrew however is higher now. 536 after patch to 449 pre-patch.

before patch:
https://ibb.co/87QD51f

after patch:
https://ibb.co/zVzPmZF

That's around 2300 damage only from witchbrew in that last picture. I was lucky that no kisses procced.

However, arguing that they were unnecessarily nefed back then and this buff was kind of deserved really blows my mind. How can you say "it was that way in the past or on live and just implement it, without looking at how these classes currently perform?". RoR is a lot different then live was.

I mean look at the last screenshot again. That's the damage from a high rr top gear SW. I mostly did less damage then she with throwing daggers and procs... How can you argue that this is fine?

You did about 1800 dmg with just BA in same time he did that 2k witchbrew dmg. This change is BUFF TO ALL CLASSESS THAT EVEN HAVE WPN WITH PROC DMG. Just to act like this is only WE change is baffling to me when it literally affects most classess if not all in game(more dmg on career mechanic dmg procs and tactic procs)

Ey, you need at least 3 gdc and a lot of AP to even apply 3x BHA. Most of the time they evade 1-2 BHA so you need 4-5 GCD to even apply that. Most of the skirmisher SW damage comes from that ability. It's not just a proc, it's their main damage abilities.

Did you even realize that we are comparing the ranged damage of a "ranged dps" class with that of a - supposed to be - "melee dps" class here?

Even if it is a buff to all classes that have weapon procs... it actually isn't. Glass arrow of the SW is a damage proc and is not affected. Flames of rhuin of the BW is a weapon proc and is not affected. So which classes were affected? Melee dps classes? They really needed that buff... right...

ALL PROCS. I havent logged on my SW because the class is butchered and there is no flow left but my bw/sorc both class mechanic on hit/on being hit dmg procs are higher, also sorc chilling gusts/swell of gloom are affected and hit harder as well so i would be very suprised if it didnt affect glass arrow as well. Centuries of training is affected on my wl/sm/rest sm tactic dots hit for more and im sure Leonine Frenzy is affected. Everything and every class that has dmg procs (of any kind) are affected.

That you think that this is " BUFF FOR WELF AND WELF ONLY " is my problem here and there is no problem. And that 600 absorb tactic is good yeah but u do know that wh has about 400 absorb 25 % on being hit? not critted just being hit, it aint that far off + Bullets do even more dmg now than they did before, which is fine. And Flame of rhuin etc is not wpn proc. It's career mechanic skill proc. Subjugator 360 dmg proc is wpn proc, that 110 dmg on ur sreenshot is wpn proc(and all of these procs are affected)

And saying that its impossible to break thru witch elf mitigation is just...

[Krima]

The DMG buff is for all dpsers not only WE! lol!

WH still the strongest dpser out there.. go look some of the MDVP.
I mean 12 sec parry + insane amount of heal + solid dmg.. and you guys crying about 15% dmg on witchbrew plsss.

[Sulorie]

I mean look at the last screenshot again. That's the damage from a high rr top gear SW. I mostly did less damage then she with throwing daggers and procs... How can you argue that this is fine?

The high mitigation tells me, that the WE wasn't specced for max dmg and more like solo sustain build with higher defenses. Those specs pick WB because you don't need as much STR as possible.
The odds are stacked against you in a fight against this kind of build.

Yes, ofc that is a def build WE. That makes it even worse. Full def and still that damage. Another reason why this buff was wrong.

Now they have more damage in full def builds which are already super strong with that 600 absorb after crit, the new reggen keg and what else they have.

I don't expect to win with a ranged SW vs a WE but my "ranged damage" should be at least higher. Im running high BAL / WS build and still can't hurt them because of absorb and insane mitigation. I have around 58% armor pierce with weaponskill and they still mitigate 50% of my damage. You can do absolutely nothing to get through that toughness and they still hit you hard because kisses and wb are pretty much indepenant from strength.

Most classes sacrifice a lot of their damage when going full def. Not so WE and they just buffed that more.

That's no high DMG tbh. 6 WB procs over several seconds is nothing. Their regular attacks will deal a lot less damage than a regular DPS spec.
Hit targets with less mitigation or spec melee for overall better tools in close range combat.

[Stahn123]

My level 15 DoK killed a level 40 White Lion in 1v1 several times. He had to bring other lowbies to eventually swarm me while defending the tower in Ekrund. 40's get reduced to about level 10, have their abilities and tactics reduced, can't swap gear they may have in their bags, etc upon entering the zone. If you are dying to a level 40, you are dying to a level 10. They just have more experience than what you're used too and you were outplayed in most cases. Sorry, but it's true. My 38 Chosen gets debuffed to about level 12.

[ExcretusMaximus]

So killing a level 10 and getting rewards is fine, but killing a level 40 who is debolstered to 10 should give you absolutely nothing? What kind of logic is that?

Also, where did I say I was level 15, fighting 40s? Because I never did.

Assume less.