Destro daily zerg

[Asderas27]

That's not good enough... It shouldn't be at the point where organised guilds have to sign up to avoid a zerg fight.. Absolution and Nightmare should as some of the stronger guilds on Destro be leading by example and refusing to join and fight along side zergs.

if you doing guild wbs on weekly basis, why you cant do sign up for gvg ? you dont even need a signup if you are running with 18/24 guild wbs daily. Also you can just ask one of the enemy wbs to fight wb vs wb in a some open location if rvr is too zergy for you to enjoy as a wb.

That fight would be jumped by other wbs within a minute. SoR will show the situation and it will be zerged, just like any other day...

GvGs usually happen in a locked zone of both wb leaders choosing i feel that FE has never once done or even seen a GvG before

[Fenris78]

I have left order because there are almost never any pug wbs. When i joined the server a couple yrs ago there were, but that seems to be over now. I go on destro and theres at least 3 usually like 6 pug wbs. Its a grouping game and sadly nobody wants to run pug wb on order.
Ive been on destro about a week now and i have never had to wait for a wb.
Until you can somehow motivate ppl to run pugs on order then this is what it is.

Order pug won't group and are a hellish nightmare to make it work, because :
- Half ppl play ranged dps and will pew-pew solo, zero assist
- 90% of "PUG leaders" are either just wanting to be carried, not aware that they are leader, ar just give zero **** even for balancing parties around. The 10% real pug leaders are actually recruiting in channels, and are well-known for doing well with discord org (NM, Bene, RT actually. That's pretty much all)
- The few running melee will explode instant because like 10% Order play tank (against 50% destro tanks)
- Consequently you dont have any resilient frontline, as soon the 3 Order tanks die it's over
- You cannot play tank and actually feel safe because 1. Not enough healers 2. ppl play ranged and will fight 100ft behind you, and will insta flee, leaving you dying for nothing.

So, nobody will play tank and melee Order side, not to mention healers. Nobody wanna lead 90% rdps and solo WHs/dps AMs wich will left you behinf the instant melee blob hit frontline.
That's all.

Unless you can actually change player behavior and incentivize people to play tank, healer and melee, and teach them how to play in synergy, things can start to change.

Destru won't have this issue, because they can just hide inside the big melee blob (50% tanks 50% mdps choppa pull aoe kd mara) spamming aoe and actually survive on impact. Rest are ultra kity shams ans SH that can just pew pew and give zero **** about proper play because easy kills for them and cheesy kiting skills.
You dont have that on order for all those reasons. It's more about archetype repartition, actually, than balance between classes, but certainly the lattest greatly contribute to this (just looks at the amounts of tanks/shams/SHs roaming solo, versus nothing other than WHs on Order side, and you will get a clue of the issue).

[Kloaner]

Unless you can actually change player behavior

stop blame the players. why choose Order when you wanna play mdps? for a **** pet class or a naked dwarf? please....

[diedrake]

Major part of the issue is the players.
1. Kite/ gank classes played quite a bit on order and as peeps said lack of tanks and main healers.
2. Lack of pug wb leaders/ communication between the guilded and pug wbs.
3. Players that play both sides jumping on whichever they choose. Reasons can vary, such as manipulating which city is being attacked. Or because one side is zerging and dont wish to get eaten.

No matter what system game and devs input to try to prevent one side from donimating. It all boils down to the players and thier choices, have it classes or lack of wanting to communicate. Plus, destro has been in favor sense release due to the " cool" factor as imo order class gear looks pretty " meh" compaired.

[Jeromas]

Unless you can actually change player behavior

stop blame the players. why choose Order when you wanna play mdps? for a **** pet class or a naked dwarf? please....

So if all thought as u, it would be a pve game and all players only played destro... U have No long term perspective

[Aethilmar]

Unless you can actually change player behavior

stop blame the players. why choose Order when you wanna play mdps? for a **** pet class or a naked dwarf? please....

So if all thought as u, it would be a pve game and all players only played destro... U have No long term perspective

Kind of is these days with 100% aao the norm. You get full rewards for two doors and a lord too.

[Emissary]

Destro in NA primetime have admitted multiple times that they were in Invader gear a month ago and because of the changes that favor their zerging they are all working on their offset of SOV.

Devs have setup the server for zerg night after night and the only dependency is when Evil decides whether his guild is playing order or destro that night. Nothing against him or them as I see the point and agree with it as heck it makes sense. Play with the organized guy/gal and farm. We farmed a keep the other night with us having 20% aao, why because our entire WB was in discord and organized. No wonder it depends on which faction has the strongest leader that will win. The only reason I get to see more destro come over to order is because their destro toons are now all Sov'd out.

[Kloaner]

So if all thought as u, it would be a pve game and all players only played destro... U have No long term perspective

I don't know what makes you think I'm playing Destro right now. but well...

and no people don't think like you imply, they just play range. (and of course because rdps is too strong/easy in orvr)

[Haojin]

Last couple of months we've seen destro side zerg more and more in every time zone. None more apparent than EU prime time.
Its not uncommon to engage a destro wb with an order wb, only to instantly get flooded by another 3-4 organized destro wbs, leaving only one outcome.

I know that order doesnt have that many organized discord driven warbands any more, and that said destro wbs are eager to find whatever is left to fight. But all it does is drive the last organized order away.

As most know, its not uncommon to see organized destro names, and u all know who u are, surfing eachothers wbs, making a mockery of whatever order has stayed around to give a zone a go. Its apparent when watching destro Streamers on twitch and its apparent when entering zones with a 12 or 18 man of order.

Furthermore everyone stack together in one zone, from both order and destro, leaving the other open pairing down to perhaps scouts VS parties. Why not actively try to spread out?

To round off me wee rant, I would acknowlegde that perhaps wb VS wb fights are a Thing of the past and that I, and others like minded people, are dinosaurs that hasnt realized that we're extinct yet. But it seems to me, that the short term thinking of some people, will produce long term negative effects on the server population as a whole.

No its not the devs responsibility, and no its not bad coding or reward system. Its all down to player mentality.

faction imbalances happens all the time; current pop-shift happening due to "best patch ever" which butchered "realm vs realm" notion of the game. guessing some warband leaders stopped building their daily pug warbands.

if there is no reason to defend/conqueror rvr elements aka "keeps,forts" to reach final destination "city" why should they bother anyway ? the ones whos doing warbands right now just there for kill farm.

[nurse3766]

If you played some Desto you'd have the exact thing happen to you as well. As a matter of fact at the time of writing this Order has 55% server pop. It's not a one sided issue.

Dude, its the same ppl, just on their order toons...

Exactly