Replica jewels.... Clarification please.

[Hugatsaga]

That's what I would expect if ranked were simply removed as a play mode. I'm not advocating for removal one way or another, I think ranked could work given some core adjustments. People that were present and earned the gear through playing hard mode would get to keep the gear from hard mode. I would not expect to see ranked gear simply dropped into the standard scenario tier of gear as it's explicitly a reward for playing a much harder mode, not randomly pugging 50,000 scenarios. While I wasn't a fan of introducing statted gear in the first place, I do respect the prestige and time investment of the players who earned it. It's not like they don't have BIS gear anyway, and it's not exactly a big shift in power for a ring that has the equivalent of 30 more stats in the grand scheme of balance considerations.

Thank you for reply. Hopefully ranked will eventually be success-story.

I agree that ranked players have earned their prestigious rewards. For instance it's nice that they can ride around with their exclusive cool mounts all day, they certainly have earned those (although I have less respect for certain 4am wintrade farmers but that's another story...). That being said I strongly disagree about making ranked gear unavailable to new players/alts at any point. I think only gear that should be unaccessible should be exclusive event cosmetics and ranked season reward cosmetics. That would be similar system to World of Warcraft where only gear that is no longer accessible is very limited cosmetic gear like any Arena or Mythic plus seasonal rewards (both are 100% cosmetic gear once new season starts) and 99% of cosmetics and mounts you can still get by doing old content such as grinding old raids etc.

Like Bombling said, they are really good for some classes. Also the feeling of "too late" is offputting to new players and especially people rolling new alts to the point when they might not roll new alt at all and quit. Imagine rolling a slayer/choppa with knowing that in current setting you can never get as good gear as people who played 1 year ago. Even making the replica inaccessible right now would be terrible idea since right now it's only way to earn the ring since ranked is not popping (other than getting 11 other people and wintrading in group ranked)

Also a suggestion related to conversation: since the name "replica" causes confusion, I'd suggest renaming that to Victorious/Triumphant ring and then renaming the ring earned in ranked (previosly known as victorious/triumph ring) something like "Legit victorious/triumph pro player ring". Someone can come with the better name but you get the point:
1) praise ranked players who earned legit ring
2) don't shame box -running noobs who bought the Wal-Mart version
3) and most importantly: in no case shut the door from new players/alts accessing any good, relevant or let alone best in slot gear

[zumos2]

Removing the ability to purchase bis gear for certain characters while not removing it completely from the game (delete the item from players) is just undefendable. It's already stupid you cannot get the Skaven rings anymore.

[wargrimnir]

Something else to keep in mind, there will be more gear sets. We're not done yet. Ranked sets might be the best that were earned from scenarios, but we still have Darkpromise and Tovl to introduce with the ROR twist that would be comparable. That might be a BIS ring today, but it's not planned to be forever.

[SuperStar]

Something else to keep in mind, there will be more gear sets. We're not done yet. Ranked sets might be the best that were earned from scenarios, but we still have Darkpromise and Tovl to introduce with the ROR twist that would be comparable. That might be a BIS ring today, but it's not planned to be forever.

Do not remove the access to get a gear and left them on on others imo, it make injustice feeling. Not healthy and not good.

Worst than players cannot get the first Halloween event weapon appearances. And it's hurts a lot too.

[Sulorie]

After getting Sov set, people could aim to get the 9999 crests to acquire BiS gear.
With all missing sets being PvE related, for what do you need all the crests?
Ofc at some point you don't need crests but at least people had some stretch goal.

[wargrimnir]

Something else to keep in mind, there will be more gear sets. We're not done yet. Ranked sets might be the best that were earned from scenarios, but we still have Darkpromise and Tovl to introduce with the ROR twist that would be comparable. That might be a BIS ring today, but it's not planned to be forever.

Do not remove the access to get a gear and left them on on others imo, it make injustice feeling. Not healthy and not good.

I'm just talking, not making a decision.

My personal feelings regarding that feeling of injustice? You didn't do anything to earn it. Sometimes the world moves on before you get a chance, sometimes you show up too late. That's life. If you want ranked gear the best option would be to support ranked as a game mode and make noise about getting it tweaked and restarted. Complaining the ring costs too much or might disappear before you get a chance isn't reasonably actionable. It's supposed to be difficult to earn in the first place. If that difficulty no longer exists, then it would be much more unjust for the people that already earned it the hard way to have their accomplishments turned to piss so the non-ranked majority can just... have it. Reminds me very much of when they were selling sov gear on live for gold, gross.

[SuperStar]

Something else to keep in mind, there will be more gear sets. We're not done yet. Ranked sets might be the best that were earned from scenarios, but we still have Darkpromise and Tovl to introduce with the ROR twist that would be comparable. That might be a BIS ring today, but it's not planned to be forever.

Do not remove the access to get a gear and left them on on others imo, it make injustice feeling. Not healthy and not good.

I'm just talking, not making a decision.

My personal feelings regarding that feeling of injustice? You didn't do anything to earn it. Sometimes the world moves on before you get a chance, sometimes you show up too late. That's life. If you want ranked gear the best option would be to support ranked as a game mode and make noise about getting it tweaked and restarted. Complaining the ring costs too much or might disappear before you get a chance isn't reasonably actionable. It's supposed to be difficult to earn in the first place. If that difficulty no longer exists, then it would be much more unjust for the people that already earned it the hard way to have their accomplishments turned to piss so the non-ranked majority can just... have it. Reminds me very much of when they were selling sov gear on live for gold, gross.

Imo play ranked for the ring it's not good. We should play it coz it is fun. Playing for gear make toxic community coz alsome of them don't play for fun they play for gear.

Lot of us would like to play ranked imo but we have some balance and bug problem and no population at all to play ranked. If you read the official ranked discord you can see the balance/bug problem the reason behind it.

I heard some ppl farmed the ring via friendly 6vs6 how do you clarify this is well earned ring. Imo it's not really.

If you ask a player who has the ring with one char she/he will said she/he would like to get the ring with another char instead of delete the whole set and the chance to get it with another char.
Who has the ring doesn't bother with others opportunity to get it.

It's a game not the real life, it would/should not be sucks.

Ranked was awesome, I totally understand not enough time for balance patch for it.
But instead of delete it let it be.

Imo put the old appearances especially weapons with 9999 warcrest or even more and give the grinders what they want. Put more in this game and don't delete.

This is a new era most of the MMO dead. Gear should be easier than old HC times. Focus on cosmetics and be justice and kind imo. Give everybody chance to get anything. Play for fun.

[Toggle]

Just going to toss my two cents in here as an NA player. It’s all well and good to say a player earned the ring, but there are players who were on the server when ranked was a thing, who might have even wanted to play the mode, who were not able to due to the time zone they played in. With a small player base within a single server, the reward wasn’t truly “available” to everyone. I tried ranked a few times. Think I got to play like 3 matches total, maybe? They just didn’t pop when I played. I think the move to a universal currency and elimination of time-zone gated gear, like city and fort used to be, was a move in the right direction. Removal of an item that’s BIS later on, especially after it has already been made available to everyone without that time-zone gating, would be two big steps backwards.

[wargrimnir]

The biggest hurdle I think is what you're alluding to. There were certainly enough players at the height of things between NA and OCE for ranked to work, but they had issues getting enough people to queue. If you leave the queue open 24 hours a day, when exactly should you queue? If you just stay queued the whole time, you're missing out any anything else that uses the queue system, and that's hardly ideal. So less people are going to queue over time as everyone is doing everything else and there's no focus on a good time short of trying to manually organize matches. The less people queuing, the less people that will bother to queue, and the cycle eats itself alive.

I covered this in my recommendations. Say for example you had Ranked open for three one-hour sessions per day, and that was the only time you could get a pop. People would, ideally, line up during those times (one for each major time zone) and be able to get in maybe 10 ranked matches at best with as many people that might want to run ranked matches as possible for that time zone. Once you participate in a ranked match you're locked into that one-hour slot for that day, so people have some moderation and don't try to no-life scens. There's a bunch of variations this idea could be used for to maximize the number of people looking to participate in ranked.

There's a bunch of variations on this that could be worked in. If you're doing timed windows, having it announced in the server chat could remind people that it's available as well. There's also the possibility of disabling all scenario queues while ranked is active to bring over some players that might not otherwise be interested.

[Akalukz]

The mmr gates to earning insignia's hurt. I understand that ranked is ranked, but if a "so so" player wants to play, they pretty much waste time doing so, as they won't be liked, nor rewarded. Could make it more organic, win 3 scenarios in a row as a 6 man group, move into a ranked match with an opposing team that also won 3 matches in a row. Win that = reward with ranked insignia, start over.