Gear progression and expectations

[Scionotic]

Lots of great replies, really appreciated. I was a bit discouraged by the info that I found beforehand, good to know it has changed since then. It seems like although the farm can be long, it is doable by being consistent.

I don't mind a long grind if it's fun. I just don't wanna get in another WoW classic ranking grind where it takes my soul away.

PvE Alternatives seems like a good thing, I will definitely be checking those out.

[rejndjer]

1- Save all the crests, obtain gear from bags, pq's and weapons from epic quests.
2-Once you hit Rank 40 start doing PvE and get all the PvE sets.
3-Socket with the best talis you can find bloodlord and sentinel.
4-Do RvR, keep obtaining gear from bags and saving up crests.
5-Once you are RR70+ Start buying warlord/sov whatever is better for your class and spec. (for some warlord is better than sov).
6-Upgrade your weapon to fortress, unless bloodlord/sentinel is better. If so, skip this part.

This way, by the time you are RR70 you should have around 15k crests and most of the ward requisites to equip either Warlord or Sovereign.

Most people don't want to admit this, but the reality is that the stat increase from one set to the other is so small that in 99% of the cases is not even worth buying it. Talis make a bigger difference than gear itself, by obtaining a couple of epic items from RvR influence or even lair bosses you'll be better geared than using most sets under conq.

thinking about making new alt, could try this out, seems like fastest way to get to BIS right now. thanks!

[Scionotic]

I'll definitely try to follow that checklist

[Scottx125]

1- Save all the crests, obtain gear from bags, pq's and weapons from epic quests.
2-Once you hit Rank 40 start doing PvE and get all the PvE sets.
3-Socket with the best talis you can find bloodlord and sentinel.
4-Do RvR, keep obtaining gear from bags and saving up crests.
5-Once you are RR70+ Start buying warlord/sov whatever is better for your class and spec. (for some warlord is better than sov).
6-Upgrade your weapon to fortress, unless bloodlord/sentinel is better. If so, skip this part.

This way, by the time you are RR70 you should have around 15k crests and most of the ward requisites to equip either Warlord or Sovereign.

Most people don't want to admit this, but the reality is that the stat increase from one set to the other is so small that in 99% of the cases is not even worth buying it. Talis make a bigger difference than gear itself, by obtaining a couple of epic items from RvR influence or even lair bosses you'll be better geared than using most sets under conq.

I wouldn't say that, I'd say each gear set that's better than the previous is at least a good 10% better. It doesn't always translate for example as a healer to 10% more healing, but 10% more effectiveness overall. Between 2 set's it's not that much, but between 2-4 it is. Pair 1 6 man of full sov BiS vs 1 6 man of RR40 gear players and the sov will win, even if the sov group is slightly worse than the RR40 group. This argument comes up a lot of gear not making a massive difference to performance. For the top 1% who are so skilled it effectively doesn't make a difference. But for the other 99% of players who aren't perfect, that gear difference covers up mistakes you might make and improves how effective you already are. To what degree I can't answer, but I'd wager for the average person it's between 20-60% of their performance is based on gear.

[Amdus]

1- Save all the crests, obtain gear from bags, pq's and weapons from epic quests.
2-Once you hit Rank 40 start doing PvE and get all the PvE sets.
3-Socket with the best talis you can find bloodlord and sentinel.
4-Do RvR, keep obtaining gear from bags and saving up crests.
5-Once you are RR70+ Start buying warlord/sov whatever is better for your class and spec. (for some warlord is better than sov).
6-Upgrade your weapon to fortress, unless bloodlord/sentinel is better. If so, skip this part.

This way, by the time you are RR70 you should have around 15k crests and most of the ward requisites to equip either Warlord or Sovereign.

Most people don't want to admit this, but the reality is that the stat increase from one set to the other is so small that in 99% of the cases is not even worth buying it. Talis make a bigger difference than gear itself, by obtaining a couple of epic items from RvR influence or even lair bosses you'll be better geared than using most sets under conq.

I wouldn't say that, I'd say each gear set that's better than the previous is at least a good 10% better. It doesn't always translate for example as a healer to 10% more healing, but 10% more effectiveness overall. Between 2 set's it's not that much, but between 2-4 it is. Pair 1 6 man of full sov BiS vs 1 6 man of RR40 gear players and the sov will win, even if the sov group is slightly worse than the RR40 group. This argument comes up a lot of gear not making a massive difference to performance. For the top 1% who are so skilled it effectively doesn't make a difference it doesn't. But for the other 99% of players who aren't perfect, that gear difference covers up mistakes you might make and improves you effective you already are. To what degree I can't answer, but I'd wager for the average person it's between 20-60% of their performance is based on gear.

All the RvR gear from 1 to 40 is easily skippable. PvE sets from PQ's are better than RvR and SC sets. If you can get Mayhem and Ruin, you don't need to spend a single crest on anything else until sov/wl. From ruin, you go directly to redeye, sentinel and bloodlord. Literally no reason to make the grindfest more grindy than it already is. Most people don't have the time nor the willpower to participate in this mindless grindfest. I'm just trying to save headaches to the OP. I can tell you without a doubt that for all tanks, PvE gear is better than scenario or RvR all the way to WL/sov. PvE gear gives you armor, parry, block, procs, regen and everything you need to be an effective tank in both RvR and PvE. So unless a very very specific case, I would recomend to anyone to save all the crests for the only gear that makes a slight difference. Which in some cases it doesn't because they are not even adapted to the specific class, for example wl giving arpen to chosen and SM when they both deal spiritual damage that ignores armor. Or 2nd Sov giving a plethora of useless stats such as morale p5s...

This game is confusing enough to all the new comers, I'm not going to give dishonest advice if a newbie asks me.

[Emissary]

Welcome, I play NA Order 85% of the time so hit me up in game if I am on and we can see about getting that PVE gear a little easier for you.

[Scottx125]

This game is confusing enough to all the new comers, I'm not going to give dishonest advice if a newbie asks me.

I'm not being funny, but PVE gear isn't always better till Sov/Inv. It depends on the class. WP For example, SC gear is terrible for your main spec as it's all DPS focused. RvR gear is the best because it builds defence and willpower. The only dungeon gear remotely useful for Salv spec is redeye. Everything else is Grace/Wrath based.. So my point is that one, the gear gap does exist. And sure you CAN miss massive amounts of gear, but you'll feel it the more you skip. Two, gearing has to be done on a class by class, player by player basis. There's no easy answer except saying you CAN skip gear and you CAN try to slot in PvE or PQ gear to save crests. However what gear you choose to skip is based on your spec, your desired build and how many crests you want to save.