remove surrender or add penalty

[bw10]

as long as scenarios are more or less a dice throw when it comes to results ill be happy to .surr as soon as possible to throw that dice again. if that makes someone mad then its just a bonus

[Derpy]

you should know yourself. nothing is less fun than pugging nowadays.

Maybe it should be made more fun.. Might make the game better for everyone..

Double xp event after rollback proved there still is a lot of players interested in the game. They just dont want to stick around with its current design.

[Fey]

The surrender mechanic is essential. It will retain casual players who only have an hour or two to play on any given evening.

I've been queueing as a three man for about two months straight now. We get stomped a fair bit, but we also get a lot of solid fights against actual legit premades during NA primetime. To be fair I do have Gogokaboom in my group, and he kills just about everything with a dps assisting.

There's no easy solution here, as premades will always stomp pugs. The server is old and these sorts of issues are inevitable.

The weekend scenario scene is currently dominated by double slayer or double sorc premades for example. Perhaps the weekday scenarios can be fostered towards a more casual scene. Like if you queue solo you are guaranteed 5 crests so long as you don't surrender. A loss is tolerable as long as you can still get some currency and progress to your gear goal.

[mekal]

almost every argument for keeping it as is basically boils down to to
"im a solo player crying about premades" PLAY DISCORDANT period

this thread was started as a solo player (since all friends quit) surrender is such a quick decision that happens within the first 3 minutes for almost all sc i have been apart of within the past 1.5 weeks

if you want to keep surrender thats fine and i agree it should be in the game BUT give people that vote to surrender a 10 minute quitter debuff so we dont get back to back surrenders as it is now then maybe people will give it a shot

[bittrio]

You can't even surrender until like 10+ minutes has passed in the SC so how tf is it happening,

'within the first 3 minutes for almost all sc i have been apart of within the past 1.5 weeks' ?

Spoiler:

almost every argument for keeping it as is basically boils down to to
"im a solo player crying about premades" PLAY DISCORDANT period

this thread was started as a solo player (since all friends quit) surrender is such a quick decision that happens within the first 3 minutes for almost all sc i have been apart of within the past 1.5 weeks

if you want to keep surrender thats fine and i agree it should be in the game BUT give people that vote to surrender a 10 minute quitter debuff so we dont get back to back surrenders as it is now then maybe people will give it a shot

[mekal]

You can't even surrender until like 10+ minutes has passed in the SC so how tf is it happening,

'within the first 3 minutes for almost all sc i have been apart of within the past 1.5 weeks' ?

Spoiler:

almost every argument for keeping it as is basically boils down to to
"im a solo player crying about premades" PLAY DISCORDANT period

this thread was started as a solo player (since all friends quit) surrender is such a quick decision that happens within the first 3 minutes for almost all sc i have been apart of within the past 1.5 weeks

if you want to keep surrender thats fine and i agree it should be in the game BUT give people that vote to surrender a 10 minute quitter debuff so we dont get back to back surrenders as it is now then maybe people will give it a shot

my mistake you can surrender 4 minutes in a sc

though that doesnt matter because people die once then afk till that point

i still stand by people that surrender shold get quitter because all we have now is chain surrender sc

[mekal]

of course. just asking myself what makes them mad. there was a post about low crest gain recently. so do some people really think it is the plan of those who vote to throw one sc after another to have fun and progress with 1 crest and little renown?

we had the math in that threat too. roughly 28 days of 4-minutes sc-throw playtime to afford ranked-ring replica or sov-gear - 56 days for both. no waiting, no wards, no weapons or gold for talis included, just 4-minutes surrender-sc. or hopigng to get 1 easy win within. 28 days. does that sound fun to you?

and you want penalty for that? or you want to go back to 15 mins so extend the needed time x3 or more worst case? almost half year ingame just loosing sc or maybe some lucky kills that could give you more than 100 points for 1 more crest. seems legit. remove crests at all and make sure no pug/casual will ever catch up gear? yeah this is the way to go for sure.

really don't get the point of you guys unless you want easy wins on your own and farm others longest time possible with organized premades 70+/bis. but accuse pugs and casuals they only want easy wins is kind of meh. you should know yourself. nothing is less fun than pugging nowadays.

at least i could finish one sov gear by pugging sc, cities and wbs mostly but that was before currency changes. today i understand every returning or new player leaving the game again. and that's not because of the game itself but some of the players giving no support, insulting each other and showing an attitude like they were highelves themself. laughable.

but enough now, without any statistics including interim results when surrender vote was started (kills & objectives) we are not really able to speak about that. for me in current state surrender is must have.

my friend what do you not understand about pvp

you are not guaranteed to win losing is part of the process if you dont like your odds solo form a group it honestly just sounds like youre salty because you cant 1v5

[Sulorie]

almost every argument for keeping it as is basically boils down to to
"im a solo player crying about premades" PLAY DISCORDANT period

this thread was started as a solo player (since all friends quit) surrender is such a quick decision that happens within the first 3 minutes for almost all sc i have been apart of within the past 1.5 weeks

if you want to keep surrender thats fine and i agree it should be in the game BUT give people that vote to surrender a 10 minute quitter debuff so we dont get back to back surrenders as it is now then maybe people will give it a shot

You can judge quite quickly what causes the loss and how inevitable the outcome will be. If it's just people failing to fix groups it would be one thing, which could in theory be fixed by the players of your team (in reality we know that this hardly ever happens).

When your grp composition makes it impossible to score kills and sc objectives can't be completed without engaging with the enemy, your only option is either to stay in spawn/avoiding the enemy or keep feeding.

[tmonkey]

.surrender makes people lazy and afk. They don't try anymore, they just want some easy fights, if they don't stomp the opposite team they'll go afk. Why do you even play a game at this point ?
It's ok to lose, at least you've played but no, it seems better for afk for 4min at WC than trying

I've lost 2 friends already this month just because they felt like this wasnt playing a game but just mindless grinding or rage afk

[bw10]

.surrender makes people lazy and afk. They don't try anymore, they just want some easy fights, if they don't stomp the opposite team they'll go afk. Why do you even play a game at this point ?
It's ok to lose, at least you've played but no, it seems better for afk for 4min at WC than trying

I've lost 2 friends already this month just because they felt like this wasnt playing a game but just mindless grinding or rage afk

blame synergy design and mitigation ruling supreme. ror is a game, where in a sc, the results are pretty much known after first clash. its not about the better team winning. its about the better team pretty much mowing down the other side, pushing them to spawn within minutes.