Patch Notes 06/02/2024

[tazdingo]

Well that with Heavy Blow is a pity after such a long time but grumble and mutter. Well for that you have 25% aa damage buff let's see Slayer 50% AA Speed, Wl 50% AA Speed Wh also don't know if they socket that, Sw even if the Assoult is, Engi has something like that, I think Meele Wp too. As far as I can remember this is a 4 or 5 part invader bonus (25% more AA damage) Does this actually stack with mmmh....? Ib has always been the perfect Meele Guard in Smallscale. When I look at the killboard apart from the Aoe fuss, I see that AA usually has a 30 to 40% share of the total damage with well geared Meeles. Why don't you try it out? Yes solo is already **** as Ib if the own 50% AA Haste Buff does not trigger then a selfheal was better.

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it'll be good it's just so... bleh. bo got the charge, bg the ww mirror... give the little dude something fun. playing bo feels like jumping in a giant ball pit, playing ib feels like going to work

[Mortgrimm]

yea IB got wrecked aswell, Solo IB is kinda dead but Devs want that so no suprise

Solo and small scale are dead on order in general. IB nerf now, WL still not playable cause of no pet fixes since months.
Just forget to roam alone and join the blob. That´s all what matters.
But finally someone else who dares to address this problem. Thank you

[Everdin]

Pro Tip: If only one side say it's a good balance patch, it wasn't.

It is normal for ppl to be unhappy when they see their privileges taken away. Them being unhappy doesn't mean that those privileges were justified

There are 12 classes on both sides, some with more some with less unjustified privileges, taking away only from one side is not balancing. Example is gtdc and rampage, both were a big pain for the enemy in the last years, the "debalancing" team reacted now and nerfed rampage...and buffed gtdc.

These whole balancing patches go in this direction.
- "Nerf" unlimited range of marauder pull to get order quiet, 2 patches later "we add some more range to channeled abilitys".
- "trying" to mirror WW on the bg while also pretend to mirror WAAAAGH! on the IB, but somehow forgeting the resistance component, and of course nerf the damage of this totaly overpowered class
- None Shall pass cd reduced to 20 seconds (5pt ability) while oathstone remain at 30 (13pt)
- Nerfing snareduration, while this is no issue as destro (outside of solo play), it hits order way more
- giving one of the most utility stacked dps this game has an groupheal moral 3

it'll be good it's just so... bleh. bo got the charge, bg the ww mirror... give the little dude something fun. playing bo feels like jumping in a giant ball pit, playing ib feels like going to work

you nailed it xD

[Farrul]

yea IB got wrecked aswell, Solo IB is kinda dead but Devs want that so no suprise

Solo and small scale are dead on order in general. IB nerf now, WL still not playable cause of no pet fixes since months.
Just forget to roam alone and join the blob. That´s all what matters.
But finally someone else who dares to address this problem. Thank you

Its not dead but at the moment a heavy destruction bias is obviously there. Witchbrew is allowed to exist in its current form is just disgusting tbh. Whitelion pets remain bugged and the speed training tactic not working properly is cause of concern.

Honestly as long as Witchbrew exists as it is i cant take this to seriously, it should like rampage been nerfed long ago.

[Ysaran]

Pro Tip: If only one side say it's a good balance patch, it wasn't.

It is normal for ppl to be unhappy when they see their privileges taken away. Them being unhappy doesn't mean that those privileges were justified

There are 12 classes on both sides, some with more some with less unjustified privileges, taking away only from one side is not balancing. Example is gtdc and rampage, both were a big pain for the enemy in the last years, the "debalancing" team reacted now and nerfed rampage...and buffed gtdc.

yeah, Rampage was overperforming. GTDC is a fun ability, but ultimately underwhelming for 13pt. Choppa needed a buff, while Slayer need to be toned down. This is good for order, order meta is now less Salyer-oriented and this leaves space for other classes to shine.

These whole balancing patches go in this direction.
- "Nerf" unlimited range of marauder pull to get order quiet, 2 patches later "we add some more range to channeled abilitys".
- "trying" to mirror WW on the bg while also pretend to mirror WAAAAGH! on the IB, but somehow forgeting the resistance component, and of course nerf the damage of this totaly overpowered class
- None Shall pass cd reduced to 20 seconds (5pt ability) while oathstone remain at 30 (13pt)
- Nerfing snareduration, while this is no issue as destro (outside of solo play), it hits order way more
- giving one of the most utility stacked dps this game has an groupheal moral 3

Mara pull has not unlimeted range rn, so i don't know what are you complaining about. IB new skill is physical damage while WAAAAGH is corporeal. IB has Armor debuff, BO doesn't have corporeal debuff beside WAAAGH. BG has CD reduction but Choppa doesnt have it anymore, so i still don't understund where the problem is. None shall pass is a channel, oathstone is fire and forget. also oathstone has way higher damage (way way higher). not sure what are your refering to with the last two points

[nocturnalguest]

This is good for order, order meta is now less Salyer-oriented and this leaves space for other classes to shine.

Nothing has changed to justify that. Order meta is still slayer. Rampage was never truly an issue and reason why order stacks them. Rampage bypassing morales and making guard dmg unavoidable was RoRs version and gone for good. It untied with GCD and no longer dropping rage is quite a big buff. Strikethru values dont matter all that much and never did, slayer will still bypass all block/parry.
However it should go with avoidance channels nerf for all the destro tanks (keep in mind no such channels on order tanks).

IB new skill is physical damage while WAAAAGH is corporeal. IB has Armor debuff, BO doesn't have corporeal debuff beside WAAAGH. BG has CD reduction but Choppa doesnt have it anymore, so i still don't understund where the problem is. None shall pass is a channel, oathstone is fire and forget. also oathstone has way higher damage (way way higher). not sure what are your refering to with the last two points

GnM was ap pump initiator. IB warband role was to pump. At the moment this role is no longer possible to effectively fullfil with parry&crit buffs changes, better to take tactic on RP/WP with kotbs tiny aura. IB could pump two main AP starving dps - WL&SL to a reasonable amount. That was understandable and cool. Absolutely sure nor GnM/BE are coming back unless people change in charge of balance.

miniwagh IB got is lackluster and doesnt fit anywhere decently. It is not role defining ability and doesnt justify taking it or IB over SM atm. giving it elem debuff of same value as BOs corp debuff would introduce unique feature to e.g. further support BW. that would be comp/role defining ability. Same as it goes with corp debuff WAAAGH has boosting mSH and sorc (and most importantly procs!).

IB now slowly goes the same direction BO has suffered from for years, no role, no identity. That is where the problem is.

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

Hope i made it more clear for you.

[zumos2]

GnM was ap pump initiator. IB warband role was to pump. At the moment this role is no longer possible to effectively fullfil with parry&crit buffs changes, better to take tactic on RP/WP with kotbs tiny aura. IB could pump two main AP starving dps - WL&SL to a reasonable amount. That was understandable and cool. Absolutely sure nor GnM/BE are coming back unless people change in charge of balance.

This is just completely false. IB still has plenty of abilities to spend Grudge on if you want to trigger Told Ya So. Additionally you can fully pump AP to your Oath Friend with Watch An' Learn.

miniwagh IB got is lackluster and doesnt fit anywhere decently. It is not role defining ability and doesnt justify taking it or IB over SM atm. giving it elem debuff of same value as BOs corp debuff would introduce unique feature to e.g. further support BW. that would be comp/role defining ability. Same as it goes with corp debuff WAAAGH has boosting mSH and sorc (and most importantly procs!).

Blood of Grimnir is a very strong ability for any small skill physical team, especially considering all Order mdps already have AA haste tactics.

IB now slowly goes the same direction BO has suffered from for years, no role, no identity. That is where the problem is.

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

Hope i made it more clear for you.

How can someone say IB has no identity ... It is mega buffer of your oath friend: Crit, parry, ini, willpower (now about 14% disrupt), toughness, magic shield, snare break, AP pump, AA damage.

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

I assume you can show is the numbers of why it was such a balanced ability and should have remained as is. And then take into accout the fact that you need to spend a lot less GCDs maintaining your buffs and the damage of the channel was buffed.

[Ysaran]

This is good for order, order meta is now less Salyer-oriented and this leaves space for other classes to shine.

Nothing has changed to justify that. Order meta is still slayer. Rampage was never truly an issue and reason why order stacks them. Rampage bypassing morales and making guard dmg unavoidable was RoRs version and gone for good. It untied with GCD and no longer dropping rage is quite a big buff. Strikethru values dont matter all that much and never did, slayer will still bypass all block/parry.
However it should go with avoidance channels nerf for all the destro tanks (keep in mind no such channels on order tanks).

IB new skill is physical damage while WAAAAGH is corporeal. IB has Armor debuff, BO doesn't have corporeal debuff beside WAAAGH. BG has CD reduction but Choppa doesnt have it anymore, so i still don't understund where the problem is. None shall pass is a channel, oathstone is fire and forget. also oathstone has way higher damage (way way higher). not sure what are your refering to with the last two points

GnM was ap pump initiator. IB warband role was to pump. At the moment this role is no longer possible to effectively fullfil with parry&crit buffs changes, better to take tactic on RP/WP with kotbs tiny aura. IB could pump two main AP starving dps - WL&SL to a reasonable amount. That was understandable and cool. Absolutely sure nor GnM/BE are coming back unless people change in charge of balance.

miniwagh IB got is lackluster and doesnt fit anywhere decently. It is not role defining ability and doesnt justify taking it or IB over SM atm. giving it elem debuff of same value as BOs corp debuff would introduce unique feature to e.g. further support BW. that would be comp/role defining ability. Same as it goes with corp debuff WAAAGH has boosting mSH and sorc (and most importantly procs!).

IB now slowly goes the same direction BO has suffered from for years, no role, no identity. That is where the problem is.

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

Hope i made it more clear for you.

Order tank don't have avoidance channels because they don't need them. IB buffs parry and has block tactic, Kotbs has Vigilance and SM has Wall of Darting Steel. IB can still pump AP just fine, its rone is untouched. GnM was trash and it will come back (hopefully buffed) since the Devs said it will come back (and so far they kept their word). Corp Debuff on the new skill would be out of character for IB and as I said before IB already has the tools to maximize the damage (Armor Debuff and WS buff) so there is no reason to give Corp Debuff. Also, BW is in a good spot, it doesn't need a Corp Debuff to perform. HB is a filler you use between buffs, it shouldn't be your main source of damage. All the Tanks have seen their damage nerfed, it is only fair that IB follows the trand.

P.S. This is not the last balance patch. The world is not ending. There will be more changes incoming

[Jajcek12]

I also would have many questions about ballance if i would have in mind idealistic Utopia of ballance. In the proces of gamming i discovered that Utopia doesnt exist. From actual game “ballance” state and players retention we can deduce simple facts.
GIT GUD or play destro. This game ballance the level of hardness in itself. Each one of the side is proposition for differend gamming expierience and its dedicated to diferrend gaming expectation. And if all players will be informed and avere of this the fastest they will find its place on server.
Because i like competition(somthing that push me to be beather) i will play Order at that moment. But person who like to “casualy” play the game will go destro- simple. As fast each player will realise this, the fastest will fing side that meets his requirements.
Anyways its also right with fluff(funfiction) Endless mindless hordes of chaos vs decimated Order forces.
PS: yes my IB lost good tools – but i will adapt and find my place in battlefield- if it will be hard hmm- noone sayd somthing will be easy on order.

So whats the problem. - If game want to play me on hard mode i will take it. If someone want to make casual play – pick the correct side and dont expect that world will stop for you.

[Everdin]

Order tank don't have avoidance channels because they don't need them. IB buffs parry and has block tactic, Kotbs has Vigilance and SM has Wall of Darting Steel. IB can still pump AP just fine, its rone is untouched. GnM was trash and it will come back (hopefully buffed) since the Devs said it will come back (and so far they kept their word). Corp Debuff on the new skill would be out of character for IB and as I said before IB already has the tools to maximize the damage (Armor Debuff and WS buff) so there is no reason to give Corp Debuff. Also, BW is in a good spot, it doesn't need a Corp Debuff to perform. HB is a filler you use between buffs, it shouldn't be your main source of damage. All the Tanks have seen their damage nerfed, it is only fair that IB follows the trand.

P.S. This is not the last balance patch. The world is not ending. There will be more changes incoming

Why would corp debuff on IB be more out of character then on ork? Why are more damage increasing tools on ib be more hurtfull then on an blork (also armordebuff, also ws buff, even with "a little" oathfriend bonus for your defensiv target, while on no cooldown, so you can buff multiple groupmates). Just because you say it twice it wont make it better. Just because it's not usefull for IB itself it could be usefull on the oathfriend or group, it's not more usefull for blorc beside the debuff serves it's own ability and nothing else.

Mara pull has not unlimeted range rn, so i don't know what are you complaining about. IB new skill is physical damage while WAAAAGH is corporeal. IB has Armor debuff, BO doesn't have corporeal debuff beside WAAAGH. BG has CD reduction but Choppa doesnt have it anymore, so i still don't understund where the problem is. None shall pass is a channel, oathstone is fire and forget. also oathstone has way higher damage (way way higher). not sure what are your refering to with the last two points

Not unlimited, but again more then 65f

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

I assume you can show is the numbers of why it was such a balanced ability and should have remained as is. And then take into accout the fact that you need to spend a lot less GCDs maintaining your buffs and the damage of the channel was buffed.

Maybe there should be a prove that it was inbalanced before changing it. I'm curious how do you want something proved as balaced? And how should he do so AFTER the patch?