Patch Notes 06/02/2024

[JohnnyWayne]

Pro Tip: If only one side say it's a good balance patch, it wasn't.

It is normal for ppl to be unhappy when they see their privileges taken away. Them being unhappy doesn't mean that those privileges were justified

That is not it. These patches do not stepwise improve but hammer down on both ends of the spectrum, overachieveing in comparison if you look at the complete system.

[Ysaran]

Pro Tip: If only one side say it's a good balance patch, it wasn't.

It is normal for ppl to be unhappy when they see their privileges taken away. Them being unhappy doesn't mean that those privileges were justified

That is not it. These patches do not stepwise improve but hammer down on both ends of the spectrum, overachieveing in comparison if you look at the complete system.

The patches are changing the meta for both order and destru. So what? It is fine. The problem most ppl have with these patches is that they are touching something that was basicly untouched for too long. ppl fear change

[tazdingo]

Well that with Heavy Blow is a pity after such a long time but grumble and mutter. Well for that you have 25% aa damage buff let's see Slayer 50% AA Speed, Wl 50% AA Speed Wh also don't know if they socket that, Sw even if the Assoult is, Engi has something like that, I think Meele Wp too. As far as I can remember this is a 4 or 5 part invader bonus (25% more AA damage) Does this actually stack with mmmh....? Ib has always been the perfect Meele Guard in Smallscale. When I look at the killboard apart from the Aoe fuss, I see that AA usually has a 30 to 40% share of the total damage with well geared Meeles. Why don't you try it out? Yes solo is already **** as Ib if the own 50% AA Haste Buff does not trigger then a selfheal was better.

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it'll be good it's just so... bleh. bo got the charge, bg the ww mirror... give the little dude something fun. playing bo feels like jumping in a giant ball pit, playing ib feels like going to work

[Mortgrimm]

yea IB got wrecked aswell, Solo IB is kinda dead but Devs want that so no suprise

Solo and small scale are dead on order in general. IB nerf now, WL still not playable cause of no pet fixes since months.
Just forget to roam alone and join the blob. That´s all what matters.
But finally someone else who dares to address this problem. Thank you

[Everdin]

Pro Tip: If only one side say it's a good balance patch, it wasn't.

It is normal for ppl to be unhappy when they see their privileges taken away. Them being unhappy doesn't mean that those privileges were justified

There are 12 classes on both sides, some with more some with less unjustified privileges, taking away only from one side is not balancing. Example is gtdc and rampage, both were a big pain for the enemy in the last years, the "debalancing" team reacted now and nerfed rampage...and buffed gtdc.

These whole balancing patches go in this direction.
- "Nerf" unlimited range of marauder pull to get order quiet, 2 patches later "we add some more range to channeled abilitys".
- "trying" to mirror WW on the bg while also pretend to mirror WAAAAGH! on the IB, but somehow forgeting the resistance component, and of course nerf the damage of this totaly overpowered class
- None Shall pass cd reduced to 20 seconds (5pt ability) while oathstone remain at 30 (13pt)
- Nerfing snareduration, while this is no issue as destro (outside of solo play), it hits order way more
- giving one of the most utility stacked dps this game has an groupheal moral 3

it'll be good it's just so... bleh. bo got the charge, bg the ww mirror... give the little dude something fun. playing bo feels like jumping in a giant ball pit, playing ib feels like going to work

you nailed it xD

[Farrul]

yea IB got wrecked aswell, Solo IB is kinda dead but Devs want that so no suprise

Solo and small scale are dead on order in general. IB nerf now, WL still not playable cause of no pet fixes since months.
Just forget to roam alone and join the blob. That´s all what matters.
But finally someone else who dares to address this problem. Thank you

Its not dead but at the moment a heavy destruction bias is obviously there. Witchbrew is allowed to exist in its current form is just disgusting tbh. Whitelion pets remain bugged and the speed training tactic not working properly is cause of concern.

Honestly as long as Witchbrew exists as it is i cant take this to seriously, it should like rampage been nerfed long ago.

[Ysaran]

Pro Tip: If only one side say it's a good balance patch, it wasn't.

It is normal for ppl to be unhappy when they see their privileges taken away. Them being unhappy doesn't mean that those privileges were justified

There are 12 classes on both sides, some with more some with less unjustified privileges, taking away only from one side is not balancing. Example is gtdc and rampage, both were a big pain for the enemy in the last years, the "debalancing" team reacted now and nerfed rampage...and buffed gtdc.

yeah, Rampage was overperforming. GTDC is a fun ability, but ultimately underwhelming for 13pt. Choppa needed a buff, while Slayer need to be toned down. This is good for order, order meta is now less Salyer-oriented and this leaves space for other classes to shine.

These whole balancing patches go in this direction.
- "Nerf" unlimited range of marauder pull to get order quiet, 2 patches later "we add some more range to channeled abilitys".
- "trying" to mirror WW on the bg while also pretend to mirror WAAAAGH! on the IB, but somehow forgeting the resistance component, and of course nerf the damage of this totaly overpowered class
- None Shall pass cd reduced to 20 seconds (5pt ability) while oathstone remain at 30 (13pt)
- Nerfing snareduration, while this is no issue as destro (outside of solo play), it hits order way more
- giving one of the most utility stacked dps this game has an groupheal moral 3

Mara pull has not unlimeted range rn, so i don't know what are you complaining about. IB new skill is physical damage while WAAAAGH is corporeal. IB has Armor debuff, BO doesn't have corporeal debuff beside WAAAGH. BG has CD reduction but Choppa doesnt have it anymore, so i still don't understund where the problem is. None shall pass is a channel, oathstone is fire and forget. also oathstone has way higher damage (way way higher). not sure what are your refering to with the last two points

[nocturnalguest]

This is good for order, order meta is now less Salyer-oriented and this leaves space for other classes to shine.

Nothing has changed to justify that. Order meta is still slayer. Rampage was never truly an issue and reason why order stacks them. Rampage bypassing morales and making guard dmg unavoidable was RoRs version and gone for good. It untied with GCD and no longer dropping rage is quite a big buff. Strikethru values dont matter all that much and never did, slayer will still bypass all block/parry.
However it should go with avoidance channels nerf for all the destro tanks (keep in mind no such channels on order tanks).

IB new skill is physical damage while WAAAAGH is corporeal. IB has Armor debuff, BO doesn't have corporeal debuff beside WAAAGH. BG has CD reduction but Choppa doesnt have it anymore, so i still don't understund where the problem is. None shall pass is a channel, oathstone is fire and forget. also oathstone has way higher damage (way way higher). not sure what are your refering to with the last two points

GnM was ap pump initiator. IB warband role was to pump. At the moment this role is no longer possible to effectively fullfil with parry&crit buffs changes, better to take tactic on RP/WP with kotbs tiny aura. IB could pump two main AP starving dps - WL&SL to a reasonable amount. That was understandable and cool. Absolutely sure nor GnM/BE are coming back unless people change in charge of balance.

miniwagh IB got is lackluster and doesnt fit anywhere decently. It is not role defining ability and doesnt justify taking it or IB over SM atm. giving it elem debuff of same value as BOs corp debuff would introduce unique feature to e.g. further support BW. that would be comp/role defining ability. Same as it goes with corp debuff WAAAGH has boosting mSH and sorc (and most importantly procs!).

IB now slowly goes the same direction BO has suffered from for years, no role, no identity. That is where the problem is.

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

Hope i made it more clear for you.

[JohnnyWayne]

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

Enlighten us.

[zumos2]

GnM was ap pump initiator. IB warband role was to pump. At the moment this role is no longer possible to effectively fullfil with parry&crit buffs changes, better to take tactic on RP/WP with kotbs tiny aura. IB could pump two main AP starving dps - WL&SL to a reasonable amount. That was understandable and cool. Absolutely sure nor GnM/BE are coming back unless people change in charge of balance.

This is just completely false. IB still has plenty of abilities to spend Grudge on if you want to trigger Told Ya So. Additionally you can fully pump AP to your Oath Friend with Watch An' Learn.

miniwagh IB got is lackluster and doesnt fit anywhere decently. It is not role defining ability and doesnt justify taking it or IB over SM atm. giving it elem debuff of same value as BOs corp debuff would introduce unique feature to e.g. further support BW. that would be comp/role defining ability. Same as it goes with corp debuff WAAAGH has boosting mSH and sorc (and most importantly procs!).

Blood of Grimnir is a very strong ability for any small skill physical team, especially considering all Order mdps already have AA haste tactics.

IB now slowly goes the same direction BO has suffered from for years, no role, no identity. That is where the problem is.

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

Hope i made it more clear for you.

How can someone say IB has no identity ... It is mega buffer of your oath friend: Crit, parry, ini, willpower (now about 14% disrupt), toughness, magic shield, snare break, AP pump, AA damage.

Not even talking about HB nerf as its just an absolute /facepalm. especially knowing why and how exactly it got nerfed.

I assume you can show is the numbers of why it was such a balanced ability and should have remained as is. And then take into accout the fact that you need to spend a lot less GCDs maintaining your buffs and the damage of the channel was buffed.