New - WE or DoK?

[Waaagh1]

Hi all, I'm newer and am looking to roll a new class and have it down to a Witch Elf or Disciple of Khaine.

I like the aesthetic of both, but have some questions.

Firstly, are they both viable in the current Meta?

Based on balance patches etc. It can be hard to determine if certain classes are good end game.

How do they both perform 1v1, cities etc.

Do either have a glaring weakness that may make them less fun, i.e. dying to melee super often, getting non stop kited.

The DoK I would like to run as a DPS spec. Would the other players in my group be angry with this?

Mostly I'm hoping one or both of them can do reasonably well at the majority of things, Even if they're not op etc.

Anyways, please give me your thoughts!

[Zxul]

Dok- only works in scs in snb spec as melee healer, doesn't works in scs or in rvr as dps. Might work as dps in duo roaming targeting soloers, but not for anything else- no real way to deal with kiters, no burst. And yep, players will be angry if you run the dok as dps for those reasons.

WE- works for solo roaming, works as a single target dps in scs. Just remember than one, your only real working spec is a Witchbrew (not that effective vs tanks after the last patch since it no longer ignores toughness), and two you got no real aoe- meaning you won't be wanted in premade wbs. Might theoretically get a spot in a single target party in a city wb, except that non does cities any longer.

[Faction69]

Overall, a (shield) DoK would be more accepted in groups, but still isn't exactly sought after. And WE's role as a solo or small group ganker is much more accessible and imo it's just better at it than DPS DoK is in its own niche. Stealth is incredibly strong in this game.

WE also has 2 specs not just one, Witchbrew and On Your Knees. The latter is more burst DPS oriented and is perfectly playable, as evidenced by the fact that dozens of good WEs play it and do well.

[Zxul]

WE also has 2 specs not just one, Witchbrew and On Your Knees. The latter is more burst DPS oriented and is perfectly playable, as evidenced by the fact that dozens of good WEs play it and do well.

As someone who invented the RA/OYK spec back in the day, just because you can doesn't means you should. The spec was nerfed 3 times back in the day- the dmg of RA was nerfed in abilities patch, the BE tactic which you need to make it work was nerfed from 50% to 25%, and the gcd change to 1.5 sec made it so BE tactic works for 2 abilities after RA channel ends instead of 3.

Just because you can gank random pug which doesn't knows how to spec for solo with it, doesn't means its good.

[normanis]

atm witch is not welcome in wb, byt dok has heal build , strong hybrid and pure dps build. and as dok u are welcome in warbands.
witch has 3 st trees and none of tham are whanted into wb . maby some pug wb will inv u and than kick u because u cant offer nothing to wb compared to chopa/mara/msquig/sorc (all these clases has strong st and strong aoe builds compared to witch with her 3 st trees)

[Faction69]

WE also has 2 specs not just one, Witchbrew and On Your Knees. The latter is more burst DPS oriented and is perfectly playable, as evidenced by the fact that dozens of good WEs play it and do well.

As someone who invented the RA/OYK spec back in the day, just because you can doesn't means you should. The spec was nerfed 3 times back in the day- the dmg of RA was nerfed in abilities patch, the BE tactic which you need to make it work was nerfed from 50% to 25%, and the gcd change to 1.5 sec made it so BE tactic works for 2 abilities after RA channel ends instead of 3.

Just because you can gank random pug which doesn't knows how to spec for solo with it, doesn't means its good.

Very few people spec for solo, you gank people trying to get to groups etc, solo outside of WH/WE is like 1 or 2 people per zone. When you kill like 95% of the people you come across, then yes it's good lol. Just because it's not OP like before doesn't mean it's not good.

Like who's speccing around the 1 duel per week you get with a regen IB or whatever? No one. Be realistic. If you even see someone specced regen you can just avoid them, you have stealth. Or also just walk away, because they do no damage.

[Waaagh1]

Okay so if I'm getting this straight DoK are not really viable, at least in terms of DPS spec and they get kited with no real answer.

But there is good news. The witch elf is viable. Not OP, but good enough to have some fun. It is probably not the most invited class, but it does have its place.

Good answers by all, thank you for taking the time to educate me!

[Wdova]

Okay so if I'm getting this straight DoK are not really viable, at least in terms of DPS spec and they get kited with no real answer.

But there is good news. The witch elf is viable. Not OP, but good enough to have some fun. It is probably not the most invited class, but it does have its place.

Good answers by all, thank you for taking the time to educate me!

A sad state of class that was viable in both dps and healing back in the days (Live servers and early stage of RoR)

Edit:

If question is WE or DoK I would vote for DoK. More versatility. When You get bored with pure healing, You can try SnB melee healing and if You get bored with that, You can try Dual wield DPS.

[Templa]

Both good.
I would go DoK if i were you. IMO the class has more to offer than WE.
- You can go heal if you wanna heal
- You can go DPS once you have the gear to back it up
- You have a Melee/bruiser build with Shield. (The viability is very dependand on enemy, because sdok and swp are very susceptible to kiting)

[Zxul]

- You can go DPS once you have the gear to back it up

No real aoe and no real burst, can't deal with kiters. GL with dps except vs undergeared pug soloers.

- You have a Melee/bruiser build with Shield. (The viability is very dependand on enemy, because sdok and swp are very susceptible to kiting)

There is also fun such as for example tank sitting on snb dok and keeping him permasnared. GL healing off dmg while hitting the tank, since he is the only one in range.