[IronBreaker] Grumble An’ Mutter

[Bowldancer]

Yes I want my Grumble back.

[memesperg]

they dont need the heal what they need is people to stop going 2h & complaining they have no survivability the devs are taking this game back to being holy trinity so the days of going 2h tank & wanting to do damage & have survivability are over if you dont like dying use a shield you dont like getting kited by range & magic use a shield, you lot trying to smoosh a square block into a round hole over & over & complaining it doesnt fit is getting old the game has changed either adapt or have fun smooshing your square block

[Farrul]

they dont need the heal what they need is people to stop going 2h & complaining they have no survivability the devs are taking this game back to being holy trinity so the days of going 2h tank & wanting to do damage & have survivability are over if you dont like dying use a shield you dont like getting kited by range & magic use a shield, you lot trying to smoosh a square block into a round hole over & over & complaining it doesnt fit is getting old the game has changed either adapt or have fun smooshing your square block

What is worse than removing build defining abilities? Posters like yourself trying to justify it with a patronizing attitude.

Off-specs are important to build diversity and rpg games in general, they exist from the beginning of the original game and are just as much a part of the game.

If the devs would indeed follow through with this ''holy trinity'' nonsense talk you mention here they would lose a large part of this playerbase, forcing players to play a certain way has always been the doom of games, they die quickly thereafter.

If anything more build diversity should be promoted to sustain a healthier playerbase.

[hogun]

they dont need the heal what they need is people to stop going 2h & complaining they have no survivability the devs are taking this game back to being holy trinity so the days of going 2h tank & wanting to do damage & have survivability are over if you dont like dying use a shield you dont like getting kited by range & magic use a shield, you lot trying to smoosh a square block into a round hole over & over & complaining it doesnt fit is getting old the game has changed either adapt or have fun smooshing your square block

What is worse than removing build defining abilities? Posters like yourself trying to justify it with a patronizing attitude.

Off-specs are important to build diversity and rpg games in general, they exist from the beginning of the original game and are just as much a part of the game.

If the devs would indeed follow through with this ''holy trinity'' nonsense talk you mention here they would lose a large part of this playerbase, forcing players to play a certain way has always been the doom of games, they die quickly thereafter.

If anything more build diversity should be promoted to sustain a healthier playerbase.

Farrul is absolutely right. What makes the game interesting for so many years is its diversity of possibilities; reducing it would decrease the game's appeal and ultimately kill it. I have several Ironbreakers, but my favorite is my Hogun, who has always played with a shield and Grumble & Mutter.

[jafh123]

We should gather everyday at Altdorf's market square at peak hour and /grumble for two minutes straight until we get the ability back due to so much grumbling.

[Bozzax]

This is a pure 1vX ability (lets say 80%)

IB:s are quite potent already bc of all regen gear that is out there. Adding it back would make IB:s op 1vX

It is a bit like advocating for def WE:s with WB are fine

I get op though since that was what they communicated

[Sever1n]

Lets be fair that heal was core for solo dueling and and allowed IB to have unprotected sexual sesion with 3 WEs at the same time and satisfy them all. In case of bg pair that with armor of eternal servitude made you god of smallscale skirmishes. Was it balanced? Prob no. Was it fun? Yeah =] would be great if all classes have some form of working sustaine.

[akisnaakkeli]

If there is too much regen out there, deal with that not VERY Old skill that has been there literally always. And promised back/to be returned but when and if these new skills are the return of them then wow Runic shield should be core and replace blood of grimnir as 5pts ability, return the Grumble an mutter to 13pts and pls get rid of the BG witch king cd redu...

Anyone who plays the game and tries objectively, has not made these decisions about who gets what skills

[nocturnalguest]

This is a pure 1vX ability (lets say 80%)

IB:s are quite potent already bc of all regen gear that is out there. Adding it back would make IB:s op 1vX

It is a bit like advocating for def WE:s with WB are fine

I get op though since that was what they communicated

Wrong.

It was main ability for ultimate AP pump for large scale play as SnB with TyS! It was class role defining pretty much. Atm pump is nerfed for no reason, replaced with totally useless BoG (assuming its place in the tree). Bringing back GnM along with reworked Oathstone would be nice design decision giving you more diversity and options.

Soloyolo stuff was nice and fancy but in terms of balance its irrelevant. Im sad that its gone for solo but the points is totally different.

Fully agree with Farrul, you put it totally correct. Diversity and amount of possible options to play game is most important factor. Sadly current balance design only narrows options (like absolutely stupid slayer change, accuracy) lowering diversity and, i see such words fitting here tbf, actually killing the fun and game.

[Bollocks]

Grumble and You Wot are iconic abilities (cool, fun, lore) for IB and BO. Just doesn't feel quite the same without them.