super boring build duel(vid)

[Farrul]

This demonstrate how Op Is that class...Imagine with event trinket ..however i dont have It too.....

Nonsense, they destroyed the 2H IB spec in roaming, first GnM was nerfed, then it was removed, HB blow nerf, parry nerf. Tank channel attacks broken. R.i.P 2H IB.

I guess SnB is all there is left to do. Nothing OP about SnB tanks, they just tanky and endure 1vs1 against those with patience enough to stick it out.

[Shieldslam]

Wall of text but I feel like I wanted to write these things down for a while now, share my experiences and get others opinions. Maybe I'm delusional or this just isn't the right game for me anymore, either way ...

Unfortunately the current state of solo roaming is absolutely abysmal, not limited to but certainly partially, due to builds like these shown in the vid. It's clear that without a doubt no balancing (except for WH and WE some time ago I guess? when they were invincible) is aimed at this part of the game so there's nothing to expect.

IB's with their clown Oathstone build basically being a new (and MUCH stronger) version of reflect KOTBS from years ago. The only counterplay is to simply punt them away or cc and run unless you are specifically specced and prepared to fight it (which goes for a few class too) but even then it's insanely boring. It's gotten stale recently, it's bound to happen with a game this old that understandably doesn't get the same amount of content updates as other liveservice games. In the end of course you can just disengage (which you should tbh against this build, never give them a fight and they might just reroll .. hopefully) but imagine if everyone just refuses to fight unless they know they'll win, where will that lead us to? I remember, if I'm not mistaken, in Gilgam's case he mentioned that he just likes playing his dwarf with a shield which is fine (I used to main SnB dps BG on live and even here years ago so I get it) but there's a difference between simply being a brick wall waiting for enemies to kill themselves or actually fighting yourself, one is engaging while the other one is boring for the opponent.

I mean, what kind of builds do you really see roam these days?
-Regen stacking tanks basically just outlasting you unless you have regen yourself or some healing ability.
-AM/Shaman being literally invincible unless you have enough dps and heal debuff to get trough their healing, if you even manage to get to them in the first place, while they not only drain your AP (core, 15 sec cd 140ap drain like wtf) but also puke so many dots on you that you simply die passively without any counterplay (unless you are one of those few classes who can cleanse).
-SW/Squig basically being untouchable for a melee that doesn't have a low cd gapcloser (hint: almost everyone). Squig can cheese you with their pet shooting trough line of sight while SW basically abuses constant 20% speedboost and still happens to have a slow, disengage and knockback on top of knockdown/disarm/silence (those cc's are core btw).
-WH/WE I'd say are not problematic as they are indeed squishy and basically free reknown for geared players. Only issue I see is WH essentially starting off a fight with a 12 second 100% parry (Repel Blasphemy into M1). In fact funnily enough you often see WH/WE duo's/trio's these days where even in a 2vs1 you usually manage to get one killed or close to.
-I've seen a few roaming Slayers and Choppas and those genuinely get my respect unless they run some cheesy Riposte WS/parry stack (again, non-interactive build but doesn't work after patch anymore so yay). Same goes for WL (again, unless regen pet build) and every single DoK/WP (shoutout to Hystoria, great guy who has been roaming for years and doesn't rely on cheap gameplay and doesn't mind dying/losing).
Thank god I haven't met a dps/zealot yet after the newest patch, I can only imagine the frustration.

Obviously in every single game you will always find people abuse whatever is strongest right now or has the least counterplay but it's gotten to a point where these days 95% of what you see is just cheese on top of cheese that you either can't counter or need to tinker your entire build around. Do people not feel ashamed knowing they only won a duel because their build is broken beyond words? How do you defend basically auto-winning without having to laugh yourself? Because there is no way for the enemy to possibly deal enough dmg to out-dps your healing for example or even touch you due to range? This server has a playerbase of around 1k, it's not an esport and you will never get any fame or certain rank or similar from winning so what do you gain out of playing like this? Isn't it much more fun to have an even duel and come out on top trough skill or knowledge? I can say that whenever I see a SnB IB for example these days I just leave, that's not fun for either side I'd assume. Seeing someone with multiple Fleshrender's and Grimshimmer chest (or warlord parts with regen for tanks) just makes me shiver, why are so many people so unbelievably afraid of dying these days? Same goes for tripple pot to an extend too.

It genuinely baffles me how years ago everyone was /laugh'ing at Monstro Mara's and Riposte builds in general for requiring next to no skill but these days we have builds way worse with less counterplay that are being praised? After returning recently I'm genuinely shocked at the state of roaming as is clearly shown in all that frustration you can see in my post. Maybe I'm just nostalgic for more simple times or I'm fed up with dealing with being cheesed constantly and hope for more balance updates even though this being a private server run by fans so it just being online is already incredibly impressive on its own, either way it's simply disappointing to roam these days and it's no surprise that less and less people choose to do so or only in a group. In the end playing like this only hurts yourself in the long run, it drives people away from the game (or a certain part of it) until you are left with the same few players who play just as cheesy as you and you will only find fights like the one shown in the initial vid, that surely will be fun.

[salazarn]

Wall of text but I feel like I wanted to write these things down for a while now, share my experiences and get others opinions. Maybe I'm delusional or this just isn't the right game for me anymore, either way ...

Unfortunately the current state of solo roaming is absolutely abysmal, not limited to but certainly partially, due to builds like these shown in the vid. It's clear that without a doubt no balancing (except for WH and WE some time ago I guess? when they were invincible) is aimed at this part of the game so there's nothing to expect.

IB's with their clown Oathstone build basically being a new (and MUCH stronger) version of reflect KOTBS from years ago. The only counterplay is to simply punt them away or cc and run unless you are specifically specced and prepared to fight it (which goes for a few class too) but even then it's insanely boring. It's gotten stale recently, it's bound to happen with a game this old that understandably doesn't get the same amount of content updates as other liveservice games. In the end of course you can just disengage (which you should tbh against this build, never give them a fight and they might just reroll .. hopefully) but imagine if everyone just refuses to fight unless they know they'll win, where will that lead us to? I remember, if I'm not mistaken, in Gilgam's case he mentioned that he just likes playing his dwarf with a shield which is fine (I used to main SnB dps BG on live and even here years ago so I get it) but there's a difference between simply being a brick wall waiting for enemies to kill themselves or actually fighting yourself, one is engaging while the other one is boring for the opponent.

I mean, what kind of builds do you really see roam these days?
-Regen stacking tanks basically just outlasting you unless you have regen yourself or some healing ability.
-AM/Shaman being literally invincible unless you have enough dps and heal debuff to get trough their healing, if you even manage to get to them in the first place, while they not only drain your AP (core, 15 sec cd 140ap drain like wtf) but also puke so many dots on you that you simply die passively without any counterplay (unless you are one of those few classes who can cleanse).
-SW/Squig basically being untouchable for a melee that doesn't have a low cd gapcloser (hint: almost everyone). Squig can cheese you with their pet shooting trough line of sight while SW basically abuses constant 20% speedboost and still happens to have a slow, disengage and knockback on top of knockdown/disarm/silence (those cc's are core btw).
-WH/WE I'd say are not problematic as they are indeed squishy and basically free reknown for geared players. Only issue I see is WH essentially starting off a fight with a 12 second 100% parry (Repel Blasphemy into M1). In fact funnily enough you often see WH/WE duo's/trio's these days where even in a 2vs1 you usually manage to get one killed or close to.
-I've seen a few roaming Slayers and Choppas and those genuinely get my respect unless they run some cheesy Riposte WS/parry stack (again, non-interactive build but doesn't work after patch anymore so yay). Same goes for WL (again, unless regen pet build) and every single DoK/WP (shoutout to Hystoria, great guy who has been roaming for years and doesn't rely on cheap gameplay and doesn't mind dying/losing).
Thank god I haven't met a dps/zealot yet after the newest patch, I can only imagine the frustration.

Obviously in every single game you will always find people abuse whatever is strongest right now or has the least counterplay but it's gotten to a point where these days 95% of what you see is just cheese on top of cheese that you either can't counter or need to tinker your entire build around. Do people not feel ashamed knowing they only won a duel because their build is broken beyond words? How do you defend basically auto-winning without having to laugh yourself? Because there is no way for the enemy to possibly deal enough dmg to out-dps your healing for example or even touch you due to range? This server has a playerbase of around 1k, it's not an esport and you will never get any fame or certain rank or similar from winning so what do you gain out of playing like this? Isn't it much more fun to have an even duel and come out on top trough skill or knowledge? I can say that whenever I see a SnB IB for example these days I just leave, that's not fun for either side I'd assume. Seeing someone with multiple Fleshrender's and Grimshimmer chest (or warlord parts with regen for tanks) just makes me shiver, why are so many people so unbelievably afraid of dying these days? Same goes for tripple pot to an extend too.

It genuinely baffles me how years ago everyone was /laugh'ing at Monstro Mara's and Riposte builds in general for requiring next to no skill but these days we have builds way worse with less counterplay that are being praised? After returning recently I'm genuinely shocked at the state of roaming as is clearly shown in all that frustration you can see in my post. Maybe I'm just nostalgic for more simple times or I'm fed up with dealing with being cheesed constantly and hope for more balance updates even though this being a private server run by fans so it just being online is already incredibly impressive on its own, either way it's simply disappointing to roam these days and it's no surprise that less and less people choose to do so or only in a group. In the end playing like this only hurts yourself in the long run, it drives people away from the game (or a certain part of it) until you are left with the same few players who play just as cheesy as you and you will only find fights like the one shown in the initial vid, that surely will be fun.

It is indeed dogcrap. I would strongly think the new meta is magic dmg roamers now as ini stacking can't do done as easily by melee. I wonder how it is for Shadow warrior to fight a Welf with 40% dodge

[jafh123]

I think that most people start their reasoning with the wrong premise: they think this game requieres skill. It doesn't. It's not a competitive PvP game. It's not even a PvP focused game, it's an RvR focused game.

Gimping yourself and not using your career's abilities is not honorable, it's stupid. Soloing requieres min maxing, you can make a build that survives everything but kills nothing, you can go glass cannon, you can the find middle ground, etc.

When it comes to PvP, if your enemies hate you and you are having fun, then you are doing it right. If your enemies love because they can kill you and you are not having fun, then you are doing it wrong.

Oathstone has been in the game for years and it used to hit harder (or at least that's what old posts seem to imply). When I was leveling up I was told It was a shitty ability, but I still tried it because I liked the description. It's incredible how much pain and suffering it's causing destro these days. By what some people are saying you would think that oathstone just one shots everything.

[rychu007]

I think that most people start their reasoning with the wrong premise: they think this game requieres skill. It doesn't. It's not a competitive PvP game. It's not even a PvP focused game, it's an RvR focused game.

Gimping yourself and not using your career's abilities is not honorable, it's stupid. Soloing requieres min maxing, you can make a build that survives everything but kills nothing, you can go glass cannon, you can the find middle ground, etc.

When it comes to PvP, if your enemies hate you and you are having fun, then you are doing it right. If your enemies love because they can kill you and you are not having fun, then you are doing it wrong.

Oathstone has been in the game for years and it used to hit harder (or at least that's what old posts seem to imply). When I was leveling up I was told It was a shitty ability, but I still tried it because I liked the description. It's incredible how much pain and suffering it's causing destro these days. By what some people are saying you would think that oathstone just one shots everything.

tell us how U nicely exploiting and abusing block and speed.

Many others good IB's with similar gear or even more focused on defense dont block even half attacks as U do... Especially from behind...

So dont speak with Us about skill

[REWENGA]

Is oathstone still bugged? 10 sec 100% block? I am almost sure that it is, but I don't have a chance to test it. Can someone goes in PVE get 20 mobs aggro and show the block list?
Like this is a morale lasting 10 sec every 30 sec

[jafh123]

I think that most people start their reasoning with the wrong premise: they think this game requieres skill. It doesn't. It's not a competitive PvP game. It's not even a PvP focused game, it's an RvR focused game.

Gimping yourself and not using your career's abilities is not honorable, it's stupid. Soloing requieres min maxing, you can make a build that survives everything but kills nothing, you can go glass cannon, you can the find middle ground, etc.

When it comes to PvP, if your enemies hate you and you are having fun, then you are doing it right. If your enemies love because they can kill you and you are not having fun, then you are doing it wrong.

Oathstone has been in the game for years and it used to hit harder (or at least that's what old posts seem to imply). When I was leveling up I was told It was a shitty ability, but I still tried it because I liked the description. It's incredible how much pain and suffering it's causing destro these days. By what some people are saying you would think that oathstone just one shots everything.

tell us how U nicely exploiting and abusing block and speed.

Many others good IB's with similar gear or even more focused on defense dont block even half attacks as U do... Especially from behind...

So dont speak with Us about skill

"Abusing block and speed", how am I abusing block? Block is random and I have 40% block chance, do people that have over 70% parry "abuse" parry? And what do you mean with abusing speed?

I can block from behind because of my strong back. My recommendation is to include deadlifts with slow eccentric, barbell rows with a pause at the top, seal rows with a pause at the top, pause at the top strict chest to bar pull ups and heavy slam ball lifts (80kg-100kg balls are good enough) and you will see your back grow like crazy and become a shield.

People saying oathstone is still bugged: https://youtu.be/9kSOuRWT_xQ?feature=shared

[REWENGA]

don't take it so hard, you always seem to have to defend yourself. guilty conscience? the possibility that it's buggy is not so remote.

[hogun]

its fun, I fought Badchosen at least 2 years ago in TC, and it took us less than 30 seconds to realize that there would be no winner.

I think Gilgam plays his IB well; he just lacks humility because he dies too much in solo kills. But in the end, who is truly humble? Not me, at least. He has a 40/1 ratio... For example, MDPV had a ratio of 140/1 the last time I checked. Very good duelists usually have ratios of 80+.( number of kill= time to play/ ratio = skill)

Anyway, I know his build very well... because it's not his build, nor mine for that matter, since I copied it from the GM of the Fureur guild (an old French guild in live serveur). This build is not OP (even with the improved OathStone skill). You just need to understand the game mechanics and have a good rotation to optimize your damage return. From experience, I can say that very good players do not die against this build. I remember Knock Knock would deliberately detaunt me and turn his back while laughing with his very good regen build; he couldn't kill me either Healers, even average ones, cannot die against this build, and no tank regen can die against this build. A good Shaman will also kill this IB, just like a Magus with a defensive spec. However, all opponents with an offensive channeling risk a nasty surprise."
juste look my old video and its easy to understand rotation and how to counter i think.

ps : I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the only person who's killed me in a duel since the killboard was created and who put an end to my immortality game. GJ Meanest , you brain me very well ! i hate you

[rychu007]

I think that most people start their reasoning with the wrong premise: they think this game requieres skill. It doesn't. It's not a competitive PvP game. It's not even a PvP focused game, it's an RvR focused game.

Gimping yourself and not using your career's abilities is not honorable, it's stupid. Soloing requieres min maxing, you can make a build that survives everything but kills nothing, you can go glass cannon, you can the find middle ground, etc.

When it comes to PvP, if your enemies hate you and you are having fun, then you are doing it right. If your enemies love because they can kill you and you are not having fun, then you are doing it wrong.

Oathstone has been in the game for years and it used to hit harder (or at least that's what old posts seem to imply). When I was leveling up I was told It was a shitty ability, but I still tried it because I liked the description. It's incredible how much pain and suffering it's causing destro these days. By what some people are saying you would think that oathstone just one shots everything.

tell us how U nicely exploiting and abusing block and speed.

Many others good IB's with similar gear or even more focused on defense dont block even half attacks as U do... Especially from behind...

So dont speak with Us about skill

"Abusing block and speed", how am I abusing block? Block is random and I have 40% block chance, do people that have over 70% parry "abuse" parry? And what do you mean with abusing speed?

I can block from behind because of my strong back. My recommendation is to include deadlifts with slow eccentric, barbell rows with a pause at the top, seal rows with a pause at the top, pause at the top strict chest to bar pull ups and heavy slam ball lifts (80kg-100kg balls are good enough) and you will see your back grow like crazy and become a shield.

People saying oathstone is still bugged: https://youtu.be/9kSOuRWT_xQ?feature=shared

Your argumentation makes it looks even more fishy.

Its interesting that nobody noticed there is something wrong with ppl with 70% parry or more block than U but many ppl is talking how U abusing block and speed.

i will not comment in this topic anymore. Imo U are not playing fair. Finally i know how to qucikly turn on recording in game so i will have my proofs soon.