Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)

[Farrul]

So you don't even know how to use forum quote function, still within my expectations of you.

It is unfortunate that a discussion must be hijacked and derailed by this level of trolling. Guess you're still upset about the WL thread of yours, hmm?

Let me enlighten you to that interesting thing called logic. Where do you think is that "dps/dual wield spec" is used, except solo? And how does it works together with "as an intended solo buff, it is not"?

Btw in case you have wondered, only dps dok in sc premades is snb healer with a bit extra dmg compared to chalice dok.

Yet and amusing you remain in the darkness yourself, the only intention of a gap gloser is to give the ability to well, ''close the gap ''. The context of solo, group, wb is not relevant to the point.

[Farrul]

There was a time in RoR that gave Charge for Dok/Wp as 15pts in wrath/torture tree instead of morale 4. But this was back when there was no shield and dps dok/wp had all the goodies ive mentioned in this thread so it was quickly deemed too powerful and removed. Best option atm would be to give 2H Wp 25-33% chance to snare 30% for 3s with Judgement.

I mean best option if they do nothing else like revert judgement/fok changes or make Divine strike/Consume essence use Ap and give Resourses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kkJB1gIgfw Also Wrath Abilities did 40% More dmg and Torture did 25% more dmg and you lost 5 rf every or two second but you could use Ap based grp melee heals so i would much rather have that than what we have now.

I agree that whatever is given, it should be restricted to the dps WP, one issue with the old buff ( unless i am mistaken) is that it could be used by all specializations, a caster/healer does not need a gap-closer etc.

[Zxul]

So you don't even know how to use forum quote function, still within my expectations of you.

It is unfortunate that a discussion must be hijacked and derailed by this level of trolling. Guess you're still upset about the WL thread of yours, hmm?

So you are telling me that you didn't made this entire thread as trolling, and you are actually serious? Congratulations, each our conversation you break records which I didn't thought you can break.

Also, what are you talking about? My WL thread as alive and currently on the first page.

Do not intrepet that as an intended solo buff, it is not.

Let me enlighten you to that interesting thing called logic. Where do you think is that "dps/dual wield spec" is used, except solo? And how does it works together with "as an intended solo buff, it is not"?

Btw in case you have wondered, only dps dok in sc premades is snb healer with a bit extra dmg compared to chalice dok.

Yet and amusing you remain in the darkness yourself, the only intention of a gap gloser is to give the ability to well, ''close the gap ''. The context of solo, group, wb is not relevant to the point.

Nice try, now lets get back to that logic part that you have such a problem with. The "dps/dual wield spec" which you mentioned is only used, as I said, in solo. So is the intended buff "an intended solo buff, it is not", or is it "context of solo, group, wb is not relevant", or you just can't make up your mind how to make a buff to a solo spec to not sounds like a buff to a solo spec?

[Sinisterror]

There was a time in RoR that gave Charge for Dok/Wp as 15pts in wrath/torture tree instead of morale 4. But this was back when there was no shield and dps dok/wp had all the goodies ive mentioned in this thread so it was quickly deemed too powerful and removed. Best option atm would be to give 2H Wp 25-33% chance to snare 30% for 3s with Judgement.

I mean best option if they do nothing else like revert judgement/fok changes or make Divine strike/Consume essence use Ap and give Resourses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kkJB1gIgfw Also Wrath Abilities did 40% More dmg and Torture did 25% more dmg and you lost 5 rf every or two second but you could use Ap based grp melee heals so i would much rather have that than what we have now.

I agree that whatever is given, it should be restricted to the dps WP, one issue with the old buff ( unless i am mistaken) is that it could be used by all specializations, a caster/healer does not need a gap-closer etc.

Are you talking about the very old charge or 2s snare on Judgement? I think you are talking about judgement and yes i def agree that Book/Shield (Heal specs) shouldnt have snare on Judgement but they did. If RoR is not Willing to revert Back to Divine Strike/Consume Essence using 35Ap and returning 35 Resourses, same with Judg/Fok using 15ap and returning 15 resourses then the minimal thing to do is make Supplication usable on the move only for Dps Wp/Dok not shield or book obviously. Make Supplication 15-20s Cooldown and not converting Ap to RF just giving Rf without loosing Ap. And give Judgement 33% Chance to Snare target with 2H only.

And PLS Revert Soulfire/Fell Sacrifice using 35???? resourses.... Skills that have always been used as generating RF now consume it and HUGE amounts as well? Identify yourself whoever it is who has wanted these stupid changes to the class, im 100% sure you are Shield wp/dok and HATE dps specs or you dont care about the dps specs.

And that is a huge issue, RUINING Iconic builds to make RoR Shield build work/Because these are NOT made from the Pov of dps dok/wp they are made from shield Pov thinking these are fine or okay idea's "because dps wp/dok need Ap badly" well we dont need the AP to the point of crippling these specs almost to the point im thinking " Are these guys srsly just trying to piss Dps wp/dok players off or do they hate the spec that much "

And that is a srs thought ive had and its sad : D I want the 75% of True Dps dmg with 25% Of true healer amounts version of these classes back. And the AP based melee grp heal is very important so dps dok/wp wont be only a burden because Divine Assault/Rend soul (and other 3s melee channels) break so stupidly easy nowadays. I dont think im being greedy, i think its greedy to have Shield/Block as only Medium armour healers and 2k aoe heals around def target + 1k grp heal. You can spam these 2 skills as Shield Wp/Dok and you wont run out of resourses and you will more effective than nowadays dps wp/dok. There is a reason why only DPS spec Healers had the 50% Aoe heal debuffs.

EDIT; I want to clarify that I dont want charge for dps wp/dok, And RoR has added snare/root break for 2h WP and that is MAX imo what Dps Wp/Dok can get from the Melee dps Skills. But I would gladly not have this Snare/root break and Sigmars Wrath if we can get Soulfire/Judgement using ap and returning resourses + Getting melee grp heal back OR change Divine Strike/Consume essence to use 35Ap And give 35 Resourses.

[Nameless]

Dok and wpa are unique cos they got 3 working and totally different specs. They dont work at same level for all game modes but they do work good. No other class could get such diversity so dont be greedy.
There could be done some minor tuning here and there but they are pretty solid all around

[germ32]

You are not a mdps, you are a dps spec healer therefore dont have charge. Just use flee with AP pot, why is this even a forum post. Someone said it once previously but I agree, if you want what mdps has you should accept not having self healing -- cant have everything

[Zxul]

Dok and wpa are unique cos they got 3 working and totally different specs. They dont work at same level for all game modes but they do work good. No other class could get such diversity so dont be greedy.
There could be done some minor tuning here and there but they are pretty solid all around

Lol "they do work good", not sure if actually serious. GL playing dps/snb dok or wp, if there is a kiter around.

[Sinisterror]

We stuck on healer balance phase beside rp/zealots rest are not touched yet. I expect minor buff for healing and minor nerf for dps for both shamans and AMs. And minor increase at both wp and dok healing and minor buf only for wp dps

On the topic wp dont have gap closer cos it is healer archettpe and got some excluy stuff that dps classes dont have while dps classes got stuff that healers dont. You just cant have all at once

I agree with that healer archetypes shouldnt get charge. I also think that giving shield to dps wp/dok breaks that archetype triad rule imo. Because i dont have to explain to you how powerful shield/block is. Also We/Wh shouldnt either get Charge let alone better Charge than Mdps get because it ignores Gcd and is also 2s Stealth.

So im obviously for removing all those things but i know its not happening. I think Shield spec is very nicely done and man i would have loved to try it with 9 ae cap if they also removed morale dmg cap and obvious return of 50% ae heal debuffs. But shield in Sc's performs well, it performs so well and smooth that i know there is real idea behind them and i really respekt it but i just want the shield removed OR no gatekeeping melee grp heal at least. Shield skills as they are now would work for 2h/dual wield with little adjustment, would be great and not even too OP like they feel with shield to me.

The difference between Dps melee healer/Melee healer specs in Aor was literally just the 25% More healing from Lifetaps tactic vs Dps Specs Guilty Soul tactic with Dps Wp and 50% Aoe HD with Dps Dok. You were in Orz my badmagick shammy was in orz i think as well, im so bad at names and the times in aor and which guild i was at the time all blends together. Im rambling but i wanted to ask you if you remember that could WP cleanse something of Shaman's in Aor? I remember that yes but confirmation would be great

[Sulorie]

Engineer is rDD and only has a melee snare. Why do you expect to get a gap closer or range snare on WP?
You have a melee snare.
Work together with others to catch kiters, when you miss to engage them in melee range.

[Dackjanielz]

People think that shield / DPS WP is good?

lol

Must be the same folks who think Slayer is fine.