Knight dps

[jafh123]

160 ws/14= 11.4% extra armor pen. Mind explaining how exactly this "doesn't do much to make his damage less sucky"?

How much WS chosen needs? None, because he's dealing magic damage. Not carrying about WS at all and instead investing into toughness is superior to a meager armour pen bonus KOTBS gets.

Another fine example of someone speaking about class without knowing anything about the class.

Chosen dmg:

-AA- physical.
-Snare, 1 gcd out of every 7- physical.
-Parry buff, 1 gcd out of every 14, or less than 14 if it was shattered- physical.
-Cleave- needed if dealing with high parry, physical.
-Severe Blessing- up to 2 out of every 7 gcds, physical.
-Withering Blow, parts of Tooth of Tzeench, several others- still physical.

Remind me again, just how exactly did you manage to get to conclusion about chosen "How much WS chosen needs? None" and "Not carrying about WS at all"?

I've checked the killboard for some solo kills by chosens I've fought and most of their damage is dealt by relentless, touch of palsy, backlash and dreadful agony (all magic). Also, most of them focus on STR talis, not WS.

[WARChosen]

How much WS chosen needs? None, because he's dealing magic damage. Not carrying about WS at all and instead investing into toughness is superior to a meager armour pen bonus KOTBS gets.

Another fine example of someone speaking about class without knowing anything about the class.

Chosen dmg:

-AA- physical.
-Snare, 1 gcd out of every 7- physical.
-Parry buff, 1 gcd out of every 14, or less than 14 if it was shattered- physical.
-Cleave- needed if dealing with high parry, physical.
-Severe Blessing- up to 2 out of every 7 gcds, physical.
-Withering Blow, parts of Tooth of Tzeench, several others- still physical.

Remind me again, just how exactly did you manage to get to conclusion about chosen "How much WS chosen needs? None" and "Not carrying about WS at all"?

I've checked the killboard for some solo kills by chosens I've fought and most of their damage is dealt by relentless, touch of palsy, backlash and dreadful agony (all magic). Also, most of them focus on STR talis, not WS.

REALLY and the only one with physical Dm is able to kill you ?? https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/32448530

[jafh123]

Another fine example of someone speaking about class without knowing anything about the class.

Chosen dmg:

-AA- physical.
-Snare, 1 gcd out of every 7- physical.
-Parry buff, 1 gcd out of every 14, or less than 14 if it was shattered- physical.
-Cleave- needed if dealing with high parry, physical.
-Severe Blessing- up to 2 out of every 7 gcds, physical.
-Withering Blow, parts of Tooth of Tzeench, several others- still physical.

Remind me again, just how exactly did you manage to get to conclusion about chosen "How much WS chosen needs? None" and "Not carrying about WS at all"?

I've checked the killboard for some solo kills by chosens I've fought and most of their damage is dealt by relentless, touch of palsy, backlash and dreadful agony (all magic). Also, most of them focus on STR talis, not WS.

REALLY and the only one with physical Dm is able to kill you ?? https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/32448530

I don't know why that is relevant, but anyway, in that kill I was rr74, with invader gear and a bad build, cause I wasted war crests while leveling (even with this I managed to kill him once ). I don't think that chosen could hurt me right now, and the only chosen that can hurt me does it with magic damage.

[Zxul]

Another fine example of how Zxul do not grasp simple game mechanics and tries to disprove someone based on this, it is all comical to read.

Here is a simple thought exercise, remove the spirit(magic) component from the Chosens relentless ( oppressing blows) and watch the 2H chosen crumble in performance ( despite having more spirit attacks, ravage to spam and 2 x dots). That's how powerful magic is. That's why the devs removed '' Mighty soul''' which of course was not justifiable since kotbs dps quite honestly is none existent today.

Of cause of cause. Duel vs my 2h chosen, no Relentless?

Kotbs has poor dps since they scale poorly with rather weak attacks and abilities, compared to a Chosen, the latter has a way to convert or more magic attacks ( which makes all the difference, since magic---->>> physical in this game. They make decent magic dps ( which means always effective penetration) whilst having no need to scale weak pysical damage abilities with weapon skill and instead buff themselves a lot in toughness etc. Hence why it is the best solo roaming tank since it does a fair amount of damage whilst being very tanky and hard to take out.

Ahh well.
1. Chosen has bad scaling on abilities as well- feel free to look up post about str contribution to chosen abilities.
2. Have you considered seeking help about that magic dmg trauma of yours? Starting to get really concerned for you, it never late to seek help.
3. "Scale weak pysical damage abilities with weapon skill"- on the side note, physical abilities do not scale with ws, they scale with str/melee power, ws helps bypass armor. Just making sure, since by this point I won't really be surprised if you actually weren't aware of it.

I've checked the killboard for some solo kills by chosens I've fought and most of their damage is dealt by relentless, touch of palsy, backlash and dreadful agony (all magic). Also, most of them focus on STR talis, not WS.

Question is, what they were fighting exactly. If its something with a lot of armor, then physical dmg from a class with no armor debuff besides m1 and low ws won't do that much dmg. From other hand, when fighting something like am, suddenly chosen's physical dmg has lot more effect.

[jafh123]

I've checked the killboard for some solo kills by chosens I've fought and most of their damage is dealt by relentless, touch of palsy, backlash and dreadful agony (all magic). Also, most of them focus on STR talis, not WS.

Question is, what they were fighting exactly. If its something with a lot of armor, then physical dmg from a class with no armor debuff besides m1 and low ws won't do that much dmg. From other hand, when fighting something like am, suddenly chosen's physical dmg has lot more effect.

But that's just a consequence of fighting a low armor class, so Chosen doesn't need to invest in weapon skill in order to kill high armor classes, as the magic damage is usually good enough, so it can afford to invest everything in strength. Maybe before the weapon skill change more Chosens invested in weapon skill, but it clearly was for the parry, not so much for the armor penetration.

So, right now, "offensive" Chosens just invest in strength. The strongest Chosen I've fought, with no other Chosen coming close, is Wiggsplitter, and he deals a lot of damage thanks to it being mostly magic.

[Fontaami]

But that's just a consequence of fighting a low armor class, so Chosen doesn't need to invest in weapon skill in order to kill high armor classes, as the magic damage is usually good enough, so it can afford to invest everything in strength. Maybe before the weapon skill change more Chosens invested in weapon skill, but it clearly was for the parry, not so much for the armor penetration.

So, right now, "offensive" Chosens just invest in strength. The strongest Chosen I've fought, with no other Chosen coming close, is Wiggsplitter, and he deals a lot of damage thanks to it being mostly magic.

I don't want to derail this thread into another 1v1 discussion, but assuming this (https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/38032512) is the strongest chosen you've ever fought, and not knowing what exact gear/talisman/build etc he usually run with, then according to the feedback, the first 5 most damaging abilities are all magic and 2 of them are also passive (spirit aura and elemental tactic). His strongest physical damage to you - an autoattack - is also almost 2 times lower than spirit aura.

[WARChosen]

I've checked the killboard for some solo kills by chosens I've fought and most of their damage is dealt by relentless, touch of palsy, backlash and dreadful agony (all magic). Also, most of them focus on STR talis, not WS.

Question is, what they were fighting exactly. If its something with a lot of armor, then physical dmg from a class with no armor debuff besides m1 and low ws won't do that much dmg. From other hand, when fighting something like am, suddenly chosen's physical dmg has lot more effect.

But that's just a consequence of fighting a low armor class, so Chosen doesn't need to invest in weapon skill in order to kill high armor classes, as the magic damage is usually good enough, so it can afford to invest everything in strength. Maybe before the weapon skill change more Chosens invested in weapon skill, but it clearly was for the parry, not so much for the armor penetration.

So, right now, "offensive" Chosens just invest in strength. The strongest Chosen I've fought, with no other Chosen coming close, is Wiggsplitter, and he deals a lot of damage thanks to it being mostly magic.

You Mean The Strongest Chosen with Heal Regen spec there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight

[Luthyen]

Yes. Because RoR removed and nerfed everything that made Kotbs very nice and fun class to play.

And I used to play as ktobs and wl on Order. Both classes killed by dev team.

I would say WL is pretty OP atm.

[jafh123]

Question is, what they were fighting exactly. If its something with a lot of armor, then physical dmg from a class with no armor debuff besides m1 and low ws won't do that much dmg. From other hand, when fighting something like am, suddenly chosen's physical dmg has lot more effect.

But that's just a consequence of fighting a low armor class, so Chosen doesn't need to invest in weapon skill in order to kill high armor classes, as the magic damage is usually good enough, so it can afford to invest everything in strength. Maybe before the weapon skill change more Chosens invested in weapon skill, but it clearly was for the parry, not so much for the armor penetration.

So, right now, "offensive" Chosens just invest in strength. The strongest Chosen I've fought, with no other Chosen coming close, is Wiggsplitter, and he deals a lot of damage thanks to it being mostly magic.

You Mean The Strongest Chosen with Heal Regen spec there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight

I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders, I usually (not always) go around with fleshrenders because it's better for 1vX, in 1v1 they aren't mandatory. So yes, he's the strongest chosen in the server.

[WARChosen]

But that's just a consequence of fighting a low armor class, so Chosen doesn't need to invest in weapon skill in order to kill high armor classes, as the magic damage is usually good enough, so it can afford to invest everything in strength. Maybe before the weapon skill change more Chosens invested in weapon skill, but it clearly was for the parry, not so much for the armor penetration.

So, right now, "offensive" Chosens just invest in strength. The strongest Chosen I've fought, with no other Chosen coming close, is Wiggsplitter, and he deals a lot of damage thanks to it being mostly magic.

You Mean The Strongest Chosen with Heal Regen spec there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight

I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders, I usually (not always) go around with fleshrenders because it's better for 1vX, in 1v1 they aren't mandatory. So yes, he's the strongest chosen in the server.

You don't understand someting i say "there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight" and you again say "I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders" Using Regen tali on your victorius ring and claim the strongest chosen in this server is someone who can't go solo without regen build