SwordMaster

[Japzor]

Hallo.

Think that m2 on SM, need to be put back to m1. Also think that the sm need a healing debuff like the blackguard has.

Chopper pull is just stupid if u ask me. so maybe remove it.

Maybe also look into Slayers that nerf was just to big. in wb they do half the dps as bw and wl so it need to be fix.
ill know that sorc and bw has m2 for roots but really they need something to help the moving.

just my 2 cent.

Regards
Jap

[normanis]

choppa dps > slayer dps. that why choppas so many and slayers so less. most ppl started play wl and bw. slayer as dps is not welcome in our wbs. slayer also dont have aoe knock down or aoe pull.
if we compare popuparity and best/wanted dps in serious wb its like this bw>wl>slayer>wh
bw and wl pull same numbers . slayer need sweat his ass to pull 1/3 or 1/2 of those numbers what wl and bw have. slayer hatters seems hate this class from live and that hate they spread hear even ror and live warhammer was 2 diferent games.

[kleinbuchstabe]

Think that m2 on SM, need to be put back to m1. Also think that the sm need a healing debuff like the blackguard has.

Yes sure, and maybe give him some aoe stagger for dessert, or maybe some grudge mechanic ? AE knowckdown? or range atacks?

Chopper pull is just stupid if u ask me. so maybe remove it.

nobody asked you. so maybe remove thread. btw, most choppas i know dont even use it. and it was nerfed allready.

Maybe also look into Slayers that nerf was just to big.

Maybe it just brought slayers have to l2p now to do good dmg, and not only push 2 buttons and let their tactics do the damage. Finaly that gamebraking mechanic is fixed. Since the class is not broken and op anymore, nobody wants to play it? hmm, well...

in wb they do half the dps as bw and wl so it need to be fix.

yes, WL ae dmg need to be fixed Its normal and intended that bw does more aoe bombing dmg than a slayer, it was jsut broken in the past. same goes for sorc and choppa. And for WL too, when they fixed this op 360° ae dmg spam... so again, no need to complain...

ill know that sorc and bw has m2 for roots but really they need something to help the moving.

yes sure, and maybe some absorb shield as well? or some self heal? stagger?



actually, i think you dont got a single point here.
it feels like a wishlist like "please make my toons op, and nerf the other side!"

[normanis]

it feels like a wishlist like "please make my toons op, and nerf the other side!"

isnt all destro posts like this?

[Japzor]

actually, i think you dont got a single point here.

Did BG not get winds ? why did it get that ? So only think it right that SM get healingdebuff...
And all this random pull from chopper is't really gameplay it just stupid....
Also for wb, it really hard to make a push with a sorc or bw if there are like 2-3 slows on the ground, u never gonna cach anyone them or just being in range to make some dps.
It sound like you kleinbuchstabe dont really see the gameplay in this game and just want to poster some ****.
If u compare most class from destro to order, ill think anything that Destro got a better hand.
But iam just looking to make game more fair and balance. if u dont have a smoot gameplay and random stuff just can happen, like getting pull down from a wall couse a chopper below is doing some **** that u have no chance to counter what the point then ?

[kleinbuchstabe]

Did BG not get winds ? why did it get that ? So only think it right that SM get healingdebuff...

the BG is the Mirror class of the IB and not of the Swordmaster. Its the Blackorc, and he doesnt have a heal debuff too. So you compare two different classes, and want some skills of it, just because you want it. Wich is some kind of wishlist to me, without a solid ground.

And all this random pull from chopper is't really gameplay it just stupid....

This is only your personlal oppinion, and no reason to change a class at all. My personal oppinion is, that i dont like pets in a pvp game, but thats no reason to ban all the pets from game and make that change for pet classes.

Also for wb, it really hard to make a push with a sorc or bw if there are like 2-3 slows on the ground, u never gonna cach anyone them or just being in range to make some dps.

Well, thats exactly what slows, snares, or any crowd control abilities are made for. So it is working as intended.

If u compare most class from destro to order, ill think anything that Destro got a better hand.

I disagree with that. I played on both sides since the life server time. I actually started the game on order side! When i switched to destro the first time, i was kind of supprised how handicaped they are compared to the order "mirror" classes. Without going into details (cause there are enough threads about it), most thing seemed to be better and more solid on order side characters.
Thanks to the devs and their awesome work on the game, it reached a state of balancing that it never had before. For "order only" players, some things seem to be a hard nerf, but in fact, there were just some necessary interventions made, to make things more equal and fair. I would hardly suggest every player to try both sides, before starting any kind of complaining threads, to get a better point of view from both sides.

But iam just looking to make game more fair and balance. if u dont have a smoot gameplay and random stuff just can happen, like getting pull down from a wall couse a chopper below is doing some **** that u have no chance to counter what the point then ?

Afaik they nerfed the choppa pull, that this can not happen anymore these days. What is a good thing. And you still can parry or block it. On the other side, there are lion pets just beaming up on the keepwall... There will never be perfect balancing, cause it is just not possible without a 100% mirroring classes.
So to sumarize, i dont think that any of your points will lead to a more fair or more balanced gameplay. And i felt free to respond that to your suggestions.

[Aethilmar]

SM is pretty good as is. The M2 Wings would be nice to be 100ft again but otherwise it is a good trade off between it and Raze.

One area that definitely needs improvement is enchantments. Nature's Blade is currently the only really useful one. Phantom's Blade is situational and Heaven't Blade is pointless. I would suggest Phantom's Blade go back to shields and Heaven's Blade either have more debuff (like up 360) or go back to being a resist buff or something completely different.

Finally, I have long advocated for SM to have a tactic that would change Gusting Wind (an AOE punt of questionable use) into Cyclonic Vortex as an AOE pull. Not only would this provide some realm parity with Choppa pull but would annoy Destro to no end.

[Easysteps2]

I agree, SM Wings could certainly be an M1, especially since it was nerfed to 65' and most other classes also have M1 that are defensive and create distance. Waiting for your M2, you will be dead by kiters by then.

There are too many ideas in this thread, it's just going to be derailed.

[Martok]

I think Swordmasters should have a disarm because Sword Master.

[Japzor]

Sure Kleinbuchstabe the Mirror of SM is't BG But why did BG then get the WW ?