Just roll White lion Why bother (DPS)

[Farrul]

The 2H WP is also currently very overtuned

For real, WP are a pain too. They used to be fine, now they win almost every mdps/tank (with the huge + of heals/rez)
Also dps AM, is there a good counter-class to them?
I mostly lose against WL in 1v1 but rr80 AM there's just no hope, they vaporize me in few sec...

WP won't beat a good regen tank 1vs1 since their heal is easy to interrupt/counter, they are also so easily kitable by RDPS which means they need a guard or something to catch ranged for them, not solo viable but works okay in a duo.

WL has never been a top pick for a solo player, they are good newbie killers though but won't beat an experienced duel player 1vs1. WL willl lose to any regen tank, it will lose to Magus, regen mara, def we, hybrid shaman has the advantage if player is good. WL will be super strong vs RSH/DPS squishy shaman/glass cannon WE.

I have made a fun project(being bored for most part) with a Chosen currently, 3 x fleshrenders/ grimmer chest and the rest conqueror gear/sc sword. Even BIS WL's in rr80 runs away from this Chosen at rr 58, it's getting quite boring. BIS regen Chosen/ laughs at WL.

P.S. I don't know what class you play, but as a general rule (vs AM). Always have maxed Spirit res( yes buy those resistance liniments), get a fair chunk of anti crit and have some sustain(regen or class ability). The same would apply vs Shaman, Magus etc ( in this case, MAX elemental resistance). A magic user will melt you if you don't max resistances ( at least have 800 to all elementls to counter the - debuff a bit).

To give you an idea, on my SM i will have sometimes 1k + elemental resistance(lini + tatic) on top of toughness, a bit of regen etc. On destro vs order you need to prioritize Spirit res instead, since AM but also SM will use spirit against you( those two being among the best Order duel classes).

In the end, both dps AM and dps Shamans are overtuned, we all know this for unkown reason the devs want it this way, but there are means to counter them( at least the vast majority of the server pop, which won't be good duelers and got carried by blobs/zergs into rr 80).

[Neznan]

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... f920c29930

Check zone kills - 80% kills are belongs to WL and 20% to all other classes (Orda + Destro)

It does not mattare what Level, Skill or Equipment WS have, it excel all other classes.

[Farrul]

It does not mattare what Level, Skill or Equipment WS have, it excel all other classes.

Of course it matters, the context is everything. Generalizing only proves ignorance about the subject. WL isn't meta pick for duel classes as i've mentioned.

The main problems with the WL( in this nerfed day and age, otherwise, you destro players would be complaining about the slayer instead or festering arrow).

1)Whirling axe.

2)Pet speed.

Adjustments to both( i've mentioned details it in a previous post) will fix those statistics that apperntly is causing destro players tears.

But in the end, a nerf to the WL only proves the deteriorate path this server took a while ago, make everything balanced through mediocrity! Kill the fun.

Fewer are more interested in the general well being of the server, if they were, the great concern wouldn't be the WL or another class currently performing a bit better in comparison, but the nerfing regime path the devs are on. As a result compared to 3-4 years ago, this game/server is significantly less fun to play, hence why many veterasn quit already.

[agemennon675]

It does not mattare what Level, Skill or Equipment WS have, it excel all other classes.

Of course it matters, the context is everything. Generalizing only proves ignorance about the subject. WL isn't meta pick for duel classes as i've mentioned.

The main problems with the WL( in this nerfed day and age, otherwise, you destro players would be complaining about the slayer instead or festering arrow).

1)Whirling axe.

2)Pet speed.

Adjustments to both( i've mentioned details it in a previous post) will fix those statistics that apperntly is causing destro players tears.

But in the end, a nerf to the WL only proves the deteriorate path this server took a while ago, make everything balanced through mediocrity! Kill the fun.

Fewer are more interested in the general well being of the server, if they were, the great concern wouldn't be the WL or another class currently performing a bit better in comparison, but the nerfing regime path the devs are on. As a result compared to 3-4 years ago, this game/server is significantly less fun to play, hence why many veterasn quit already.

Problem is its not "a bit better" you cannot stack other dps classes like others and call it a bit better

[Bavradai]

It's time to nerf white lion. This is ridiculous. I know people who refuse to play when they know they're against 6-12x WL/BW sweatbands. One of the worst balanced classes in MMORPG history - and when this class can stay completely OP over the course of months whilst Runies get instantly nerfed is a farce.

[Tisaya]

Burst class doing good burst, color me surprise.

Yeah, let's take away the only trick the one-trick-pony has an leave them with... What?

[Nelly74]

By the time a possible nerf to WL or a buff to the underperforming classes FINALLY happens, I bet many of us will take a ‘fed-up’ break of varying lengths — and that’s really a shame, because some probably won’t come back.

[Battlefield]

It looks like it is cloth target and it seems this target without futile strikes. i see you have just 300 weapon skills or 21% armor penetrantion + armor debuff about 35%. Possbile even some low level character in t4 or not geared.

Against an experienced player these numbers will go down a lot.

high numbers on all

and futile doesnt matter when you have 59% crit

Yeah, go hit some def magus or heal dok with armor talismans, even part of Sorc/Shams runs with armor talismans and critical hit reduction to them, I'm not even talking about good tanks that you'll run away from, if your partner not dps AM. Also good def Witch elf would laugh at you if 1v1.

I tried to get max outgoing crit chance on my WL and i got about 40%+ it is reasonable choice for small scale, so as not to die in a couple of seconds.

So, if you got 59% outgoing critical chance, then you can also get killed quickly enough, even a healer may not help and it's called a glass cannon.

Most of the WLs in small scale don't play so, the exception is for full premades and even then you have to think about not dying from the focus.

Even in a scenario without a guard it will be so hard to play in glass.

Futile Strikes matter enough, especially when you stack critical hit redcution on you with items and initiative.

Some players have about -20% incoming critical chance to them.

And we may see on your screen almost complete armor penetration of the target , I checked your armor penetration is about 60%+, it means it is cloth or light armor class.

Therefore, your case speaks more about an inexperienced player or one who has been playing recently.

In general, I think such high damage is associated with overpowerful healing in the game, and then the developers added guard to somehow reduce big incoming damage, including to survive MDPS in mass battles.

[kleinbuchstabe]

Nobody cares about your 1vs1 comparisons... thats not the point!
Same nonsens like " aGaiNst rEgeN tAnks the WL wilL lOoSe"....
yes of course he will, like everyone else, cause full reg tank is a clown build. and more or less unbeatable in 1vs1...
Thats NOT an argument!

Stop acting like WL is balanced and not OP. This is unbearable hypocrisies from WL players who fear that their beloved broken class could get a nerf, and they really have to L2P to be good... you expose yourselfes to ridicule, everybody knows that this class is op in many ways and deserves a big nerf, even some WL players here in the thread confessed it.

Clownshow

[Sever1n]

Fun part u ask those who screams lion OP whats OP, and then they say everybody knows lion OP.

Pls show some numbers on dummies so we can see those OPnes and witness its true glory in comparison to other classes.