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Nameless
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Re: Recent Changes about Warrior Priest espesially.

Post#11 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 7:09 pm

leftayparxoun wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:58 pm
Nameless wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:23 pm
leftayparxoun wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:16 pm
Curious to see why you'd say Dok has better healing output compared to WP. If you'd not mind elaborating.
Bound by blood, transfusion, khaine's withdrawal.

Especially bound by blood is ridiculously strong. Dok/wp weak point is lack of brust healing and need to manage resourse useage that you somehow cover with increased healing crit and -10 se on restore essence while making it casted while move is huge.

Khaine's Withdrawal is quite good in certain situations, for sure.

Transfusion is also nice to have, but I am not sure if there is room to slot it especially in large scale.
Giving away Discipline would result to a net healing loss (a bit more on the ST hot but less everywhere else).
Giving away Bound by Blood is not an option since it's one of your best tactics.
Giving away Khaine's Vivification is also not an option unless you have a Zealot/2nd DOK in the party.
And finally, for the last tactic slot (or 2 last slots if you don't have to slot Vivification) you have these contenders:
  • Transfusion
  • Khaine's Bounty
  • Efficient Patching
  • Potent Covenants
I'd argue that, in most cases, Khaine's Bounty is mandatory and finally Potent Covenants will be more useful overall if you have the 2nd slot.
But I guess that you can slot Transfusion if you don't need Khaine's Vivification in small-scale.

Lastly, Bound by Blood.
It is very strong, yes, but it is still clearly inferior to WP's Exalted Defenses.

Assuming that both WP and DOK have the same Healing Bonus (Willpower + Healing Power), then the only differences between the same abilities lie within the Healing Critical modifier and the Outgoing Healing modifier.
Those are multiplicative and the former is equal to 1 + (healing_crit%+0.10)*critical_healing while the later is simply 1 + outgoing_heal_bonus%

For common endgame WP/DOK builds, you end up with 33% or 38% healing crit chance (depending on if you have 3 or 4 levels of heal crit in renown)

For 33% crit, the product of those modifiers is:
  • DOK: (1+0.43*0.70)*1 = 1.30
  • WP: (1+0.43*0.45)*1.20 = 1.43
and for 38% crit, the product of those modifiers is:
  • DOK: (1+0.48*0.70)*1 = 1.34
  • WP: (1+0.48*0.45)*1.20 = 1.46
Even for DOKs going full in on heal crit%, a WP with 5% less crit (to account for more avoidances investment) will still heal for 6.7% more if Exalted Defenses is up. When comparing the same builds, they would be healing for 10% and 9% better respectively.

Even if we factor in Transfusion here, for DOK to heal as good as a WP on Exalted Defenses their ST heal contribution from their ST HoT would have to be (1+0.25*x = 1.10 -->) 40%. Meaning that their HoTs would have to comprise 40% of their heals. Is that possible? Maybe in smallscale/6v6.
Granted WP's Exalted Defenses is also more unreliable in that content.

I would say that in any environment where Exalted Defenses has a reliable uptime (12+v12+), Warrior Priest is the better healer in output. Even more so not-BIS gear since Bound by Blood scales with healing crit% while the value of Exalted Defenses stays constant.
Well everything depends of the playstyle and the environment i guess. For small scale and scens i have wp exalted defence quite rarely while dok crit mod is up no matter what. On dok i could play more back to mid lane while on wp you need to be more at the front to guarantee the proc
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Re: Recent Changes about Warrior Priest espesially.

Post#12 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:54 pm

Nameless wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:23 pm
leftayparxoun wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:16 pm
Nameless wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 3:41 pm
Dok better heal, wp better survivability

Curious to see why you'd say Dok has better healing output compared to WP. If you'd not mind elaborating.
Bound by blood, transfusion, khaine's withdrawal.

Especially bound by blood is ridiculously strong. Dok/wp weak point is lack of brust healing and need to manage resourse useage that you somehow cover with increased healing crit and -10 se on restore essence while making it casted while move is huge.
Any backup or actual information on that? or just fluff up compliment words like "Ya, that ability is sick! its so much better than the other ones, it provides synergy for the class!"

I am curious to hear the other side of the tale as to why DOK is better. Maybe they have a high skill ceiling as DoK are in low supply in comparison to the other healing classes? Maybe you can elaborate a bit more & provide some more cement knowledge to your statement.

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Re: Recent Changes about Warrior Priest espesially.

Post#13 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:03 am

Better than what? I compare dok vs wp and at small scale imo dok feels better cos all healing conditions are up full time and you could stay abit back without loosing heal (if it happens that you go vs bigger numbers than yours) while for wp you need certain conditions to be met to gain the full strength of its healing (being hit and defend that attack)

For the low supply there are many reasons, it is astonishing that ppl cant see them. Looks, how self sustainable is the class, dps capabilities. Zealots and shamans are much better at zerg surfing which give insane amount of renown and progression much more self reliant and so on.
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Re: Recent Changes about Warrior Priest espesially.

Post#14 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 4:50 am

As long as one side has a monopoly on a: aoe dmg induced pull and b: non immunity inducing chain punt, i think we better not start placing anything on the gold scale.
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Re: Recent Changes about Warrior Priest espesially.

Post#15 » Sat Jul 26, 2025 9:46 pm

Nameless wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:03 am Better than what? I compare dok vs wp and at small scale imo dok feels better cos all healing conditions are up full time and you could stay abit back without loosing heal (if it happens that you go vs bigger numbers than yours) while for wp you need certain conditions to be met to gain the full strength of its healing (being hit and defend that attack)

For the low supply there are many reasons, it is astonishing that ppl cant see them. Looks, how self sustainable is the class, dps capabilities. Zealots and shamans are much better at zerg surfing which give insane amount of renown and progression much more self reliant and so on.
Yup, it is at this point everyone can now safely ignore your opinions from now on, they are clearly either severely hampered by experience/knowledge and/or in bad faith.
You are just making up lie after lie after lie. Your grammar, writing, & spelling also strongly indicate that you aren't being honest & are simply arguing to work to your agenda.

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